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  • kind of a unfair shake for dan campbell!

    i see other posters talk about how miami has competition in the HC hunt! does every one realize that just about every head coach available is a losing head coach tossed out from another team!
    these coaches took programs and built up what they could and failed. they had drafts ,they had time to get players they wanted and failed at making a winner. now you want them to come in to miami and possibly do the same thing they just got fired for doing!

    the best thing I think miami can do is give dan campbell the job and let him do his thing! he's being judged by players he didn't draft and a qb that imho hasn't been challenged in training camp by any qb that had a chance to be a legit starting qb in the league! tannehill has NO pocket presence,and that in it's self puts a lot of pressure for the o-line to block your guy until tannehll decides to pass the ball. a lot of qb's in the league a lot of times can escape the first pressure by moving in the pocket , tannehill stands there until the pressure comes then just crumbles into a pile of jelly!
    he was left with defensive back field that every one knew were weak going into the offseason but nothing was done to better it more than hoping the young guys where going to magically get better and same goes for the o-line,hoping that guys playing bad will all of a sudden get good!

    yes dan campbell is un tested,but look what he's done with a team gone flat,he put air back in the tire and got the team rolling. he might not get them to the playoffs, but he has them at least playing and winning.
    that is just a pre amble of what could be,a team fired up and playing to their best ability . If you think any of those loser coaches could have come in and do what dan has done with this team ,these players .
    if your answer to that question is ,well probably not,then why would you want one of those guys to come in and lead the team when you think they couldn't lead the team better than the guy leading the team right now with this team at this time??????????

  • #2
    I like Campbell, but I want to see more before I decide if I want him for the job or not. I think this Sunday will be very telling. I want to see how this team under him responds to adversity. As I have said many times most of the time the HC is successful by the staff he can put together. I don't know how many ties Campbell has on his own without using his Parcell's connections. I do not like Lazor as an OC, while he wants to blame Philbin for the cute finesse crap, we saw last week it's really him. I am also not sure Lou Anarumo is ready to be a DC.

    I believe Campbell will be a HC someday and if he can put a good staff together I am fine with it starting next year in Miami, but I still want to see how the season pans out.

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    • #3
      I don't think it's an unfair shake to Dan Campbell at all, to as a team do your absolute due diligence and try and exhaust every available avenue in putting the right 'next HC of the Miami Dolphins' into place; if DC's that guy then all the power to him, conversely if it turns out he's not that guy, then so be it..I'm sure if Campbell were asked he'd say he wouldn't have it any other way!!

      I like DC a lot & would love to see him finish strong, get the HC gig & go on to become the next great young coach in the NFL,, BUT we need to be damn sure he is 'THAT GUY' and not just make this decision on emotion..

      Any way you slice it, picking your next HC is a crapshoot and requires a certain amount of luck..our luck has pretty much been all bad since Shula, so we better hope when we end up rolling the dice it's not snake-eyes yet again!

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      • #4
        Prior to all this Dan Campbell HYPE everyone and their dog who cared about the Miami Dolphins wanted all these worthless college ranked coaches to be fired. NOW, since the MEDIA and others have built up Coach Campbell to be the next Bill Cowher everyone is gulping the Kool-Aid and thinking that he is somehow going to turn this ship around. IT'S THE TITANIC! This ship has already sunk! If Campbell is hired as the head coach who are his "new coaches" going to be? I have a "strange feeling" that most of his coaches are going to be the same assholes that have been ruining this team for YEARS, since they have been coaching in the NFL just as long as Campbell has, which is NOT LONG ENOUGH. Sorry, but I am tired of all the hype and I do NOT want this Miami Dolphins team to buy into this hype, I want them to gut this piece of crap of an organization and start fresh. YES, I KNOW IT SUCKS! But, the only alternative is to do ANOTHER halfass "rebuild" and the Dolphins have proven that it does NOT work doing partial rebuilds, you have to fire everybody if you really want to succeed. You can't keep the GM, fire the head coach and his coaching staff, or keep the coach and his staff and fire the GM, you have to fire EVERYONE and start all over again with an entirely NEW and hopefully IMPROVED general manager, head coach, offensive and defensive coordinators, etc. It's time to start fresh and get some NFL EXPERIENCED coaches calling the shots. Forget friendship, forget relatives (Yeah, that means you "QB Coach" Sherman's son-in-law) and it's time to move on from all this nonsense.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DolphinsFreak View Post
          Prior to all this Dan Campbell HYPE everyone and their dog who cared about the Miami Dolphins wanted all these worthless college ranked coaches to be fired. NOW, since the MEDIA and others have built up Coach Campbell to be the next Bill Cowher everyone is gulping the Kool-Aid and thinking that he is somehow going to turn this ship around. IT'S THE TITANIC! This ship has already sunk! If Campbell is hired as the head coach who are his "new coaches" going to be? I have a "strange feeling" that most of his coaches are going to be the same assholes that have been ruining this team for YEARS, since they have been coaching in the NFL just as long as Campbell has, which is NOT LONG ENOUGH. Sorry, but I am tired of all the hype and I do NOT want this Miami Dolphins team to buy into this hype, I want them to gut this piece of crap of an organization and start fresh. YES, I KNOW IT SUCKS! But, the only alternative is to do ANOTHER halfass "rebuild" and the Dolphins have proven that it does NOT work doing partial rebuilds, you have to fire everybody if you really want to succeed. You can't keep the GM, fire the head coach and his coaching staff, or keep the coach and his staff and fire the GM, you have to fire EVERYONE and start all over again with an entirely NEW and hopefully IMPROVED general manager, head coach, offensive and defensive coordinators, etc. It's time to start fresh and get some NFL EXPERIENCED coaches calling the shots. Forget friendship, forget relatives (Yeah, that means you "QB Coach" Sherman's son-in-law) and it's time to move on from all this nonsense.
          For me it wasn't the media that hyped him up it was the Dantallica led Dolphins putting a certified butt kicking on the Titans and Texans. Though the Cheatriots pulled the plug on the mosh pit it was still fun to watch the two previous games. I'm not on the Dantallica tour bus but I AM watching from the nose bleed section to see if he can turn this team around and IF, A BIG IF, he can get this team to the playoffs or a dominant winning season then he deserves the job. If not then blow it up, ALL OF IT.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by VAIDER5120 View Post

            For me it wasn't the media that hyped him up it was the Dantallica led Dolphins putting a certified butt kicking on the Titans and Texans. Though the Cheatriots pulled the plug on the mosh pit it was still fun to watch the two previous games. I'm not on the Dantallica tour bus but I AM watching from the nose bleed section to see if he can turn this team around and IF, A BIG IF, he can get this team to the playoffs or a dominant winning season then he deserves the job. If not then blow it up, ALL OF IT.
            I just think this whole "Dan Campbell for President" thing has gotten WAY out of hand. We all knew the Dolphins had the talent. They just had a monotone coach who lacked enthusiasm himself, so he also lacked the ability to create enthusiasm which leads to FIRE and aggressive play. When Coach Campbell took over it was on a bye week and they had the luxury of playing two below average teams in a row that for some reason inspired fans to the point where they thought this unqualified tight ends coach could lead them to beat the undefeated Patriots. We need to come back down to earth. The Texans are not that good of a team, not like they were the previous 7 times we faced them. They are currently 3-5 and on a downward spiral which will probably lead to the firing of their head coach. The Titans are 1-6 and have already fired their head coach. So, it's not like the Dolphins faced some stiff competition during that short 2 game stint. They played terrible teams and looked good doing it. The Bills are not playing that well either but I guess since it's another divisional game it will be a good test. Will the Dolphins go 0-4 in divisional games or will they finally win their first one this season.

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            • #7
              I'm with Nole. I'm not ready to rule out DC nor am I ready to give him the job. The NE loss isn't something that makes me think less of DC. We came off a short week, traveled to NE, and played a team that quite frankly is on a mission. The whole deflategate crap did nothing but motivate them to kick everyone's butt. We also saw the bad Tannehill, the bad oline play, no running game, and playing from behind, all of which have and continue to spell disaster for us.

              I also agree that the two dominating wins over Houston and Tennessee mean nothing. We have some very tough games coming up. If Campbell can take this team on the road and win a division game or two, beat a tough philly team on the road, and somehow get 9 wins out of this team then I would say he deserves a look.

              Also IMO, I'm tired of these retread coaches. They're on the market for a reason (they failed at their last job)! If Campbell got the job coordinators will be available, whether up and coming names or established names - not all of them are going to be head coaches. So I'm in the "let the season play out and make a decision" mode. Personally the only coach that excites me right now would be Shanahan with his kid as OC. That way when the old man is ready to hang it up we have his kid on the staff to take over (if they were successful).

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              • gulfcoast74
                gulfcoast74 commented
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                I was with ya 100% until you mentioned Shanahan

              • 61finfan
                61finfan commented
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                oh god no Shanahan please

              • Idahomer
                Idahomer commented
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                What I like about Shanahan is that I think he knows what to do with Tannehill to make him successful. I might be wrong there but I think the key to any coach that comes in here is figure out an offense that plays to Tannehill's strengths. For the life of me I don't understand why they continue to drop him back into the pocket and seldom roll him out or slide the pocket around some.

            • #8
              Originally posted by Idahomer View Post
              I'm with Nole. I'm not ready to rule out DC nor am I ready to give him the job. The NE loss isn't something that makes me think less of DC. We came off a short week, traveled to NE, and played a team that quite frankly is on a mission. The whole deflategate crap did nothing but motivate them to kick everyone's butt. We also saw the bad Tannehill, the bad oline play, no running game, and playing from behind, all of which have and continue to spell disaster for us.

              I also agree that the two dominating wins over Houston and Tennessee mean nothing. We have some very tough games coming up. If Campbell can take this team on the road and win a division game or two, beat a tough philly team on the road, and somehow get 9 wins out of this team then I would say he deserves a look.

              Also IMO, I'm tired of these retread coaches. They're on the market for a reason (they failed at their last job)! If Campbell got the job coordinators will be available, whether up and coming names or established names - not all of them are going to be head coaches. So I'm in the "let the season play out and make a decision" mode. Personally the only coach that excites me right now would be Shanahan with his kid as OC. That way when the old man is ready to hang it up we have his kid on the staff to take over (if they were successful).

              Don Shula and Bill Bellichick were also retreads. Just sayin' ;-)

              I'm fine with Dan getting a shot at the full time gig. The only other guy that really appeals to me is Kyle Shanahan. I think Mike is retired for good at this point.

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              • Idahomer
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                They were young retreads though.

            • #9
              The word on the street is Todd Haley is being considered... Another one of Parcells suggestions.... Not good...IMO...

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              • #10
                Originally posted by HndRkyaBong34 View Post
                The word on the street is Todd Haley is being considered... Another one of Parcells suggestions.... Not good...IMO...
                What street would that be?? GLUTTONFORPUNISHMENT AVE.

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                • Alpha
                  Alpha commented
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                  BURNMETWICE DRIVE

                • Driven_Phinsane!
                  Driven_Phinsane! commented
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                  JUSTKILLMENOW BLVD

                • HndRkyaBong34
                  HndRkyaBong34 commented
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                  BEATMEWITHASTICK CT. lol

              • #11
                I'm in "Wait and See" mode. As far as I'm concerned, Dan Campbell has the first shot and if he leads us to a winning record and/or the playoffs I would give him the job. If we're under .500 I'd want to weight the options and see who is interested. Unless things really fall apart, I wouldn't be interested in anyone that isn't a proven NFL Head Coach or top rated Coordinator though.

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                • #12
                  Originally posted by Idahomer View Post
                  I'm with Nole. I'm not ready to rule out DC nor am I ready to give him the job. The NE loss isn't something that makes me think less of DC. We came off a short week, traveled to NE, and played a team that quite frankly is on a mission. The whole deflategate crap did nothing but motivate them to kick everyone's butt. We also saw the bad Tannehill, the bad oline play, no running game, and playing from behind, all of which have and continue to spell disaster for us.

                  I also agree that the two dominating wins over Houston and Tennessee mean nothing. We have some very tough games coming up. If Campbell can take this team on the road and win a division game or two, beat a tough philly team on the road, and somehow get 9 wins out of this team then I would say he deserves a look.

                  Also IMO, I'm tired of these retread coaches. They're on the market for a reason (they failed at their last job)! If Campbell got the job coordinators will be available, whether up and coming names or established names - not all of them are going to be head coaches. So I'm in the "let the season play out and make a decision" mode. Personally the only coach that excites me right now would be Shanahan with his kid as OC. That way when the old man is ready to hang it up we have his kid on the staff to take over (if they were successful).
                  I basically agree, but I also believe that Campbell is already an improvement on Philbin. The question then is he ENOUGH of an upgrade?

                  He took a team that went 1-3 under the people who BUILT it, and has gone 2-1 with them. I will be watching the coming weeks to see if he is improving in key areas,

                  We're far from OUT of the picture at this point, so I will at least watch the next 4 games with more hope than I would have been if we had kept Ol' Clueless onboard.
                  The firing of Coyle was even BETTER than that of Philbin, IMHO, now if our defense will get better at getting OFF the field.
                  If Lazor can't figure out how to keep the offense moving the ball, HIS happy azz needs to go as well! We're something like 8 of 29 on 3rd downs in the last 3 games...

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                  • #13
                    all this wait and see stuff is CRAP!!!!!!
                    dan has come in and so far has had the team playing,by the way a team that was a flat tire,what else does he have to prove to people!
                    dan campbell: high energy guy ,takes over a team and brings the team back to LIFE!
                    some available retread coach: a coach who has been in the nfl for one or probably more teams and have been FIRED just like philbin was for probably close to the same reasons .
                    some available retread coach:is middle aged and has been running the same nfl schemes that every other coach of the same generation has been running for years and change it just enough for some success but in the end it's something every one knows and know how to defend!
                    dan campbell: comes in to take over a team with a very bad team feeling and for 2 games has them play and a bunch of players get noticed and weekly awards,set records.these are guys that couldn't get out of their own way on the field 2 weeks before.
                    dan campbell:comes in to camp and does INNOVATING THINGS that excite the players and has all the players deep respect,players that are a loser coaches picks, from qb to field goal kicker.
                    so having to win games or get to the playoff for him to get judged by these criteria and those criteria standing alone is unfair to dan campbell.
                    all these retread coaches are same tire inside and its time to let all these retreads go to the junk yard.
                    all the INNOVATIVE COACHES THROUGH THE YEARS have had innovative schemes that have changed the nfl and all the retread coaches try to copy in this copy cat league!
                    dan campbell has already come in and did some innovative thing in practice to inspire the players and has been successful and that's in a short period of time and under extreme situations.he so far has proven that he can be successful in this league and with what he has and has done ,should have fans excited about what he could do with a team of his players, his coordinators and staff and time to organize things without being under the microscope of an half lost season and his head coaching life in miami teetering on if he can make the playoffs with a team made up of players from the island of misfit toys!

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                    • DolphinsFreak
                      DolphinsFreak commented
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                      Ummmmmm............I think you have to keep in mind what teams the Dolphins beat when they "came to life" because those teams are horrible. One already fired their head coach and the other probably will be firing their head coach soon too. I think the wait and see approach is the only approach to make. Not ONE person on this forum or anywhere in the free world was asking for Dan Campbell to be promoted to interim head coach. Most of us didn't even know his name prior to him being named as the new head coach. I like his ideas. He has brought like back to a lifeless team, for two games, but we need to see how he AND the team deals with adversity. Does he know how to spark his players after they get their butts handed to them? A good head coach knows how to do that. So, it is going to have to be a wait and see approach when it comes to Campbell. JMO

                    • Phintim Menace
                      Phintim Menace commented
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                      True, and likewise who beat us! I think the Patriots have won a few other games too. So this week against the Bills will be another important step in the progression. They aren't the Titans or Texans, but they aren't the Patriots either. We know DC can beat the worst teams in the league, and can't beat the best team in the league yet! Now it's time to see where we stand against other wildcard contenders. By the way, Dan Campbell had something to do with the Titans and Texans hot seat. Remember, we lost to the Jags and nearly to the Skins with this same team. So don't tell me that beating two lesser teams is no improvement.

                  • #14
                    One thing Omar said that I actually agree with about DC and we will see how it is going forward, but if he can't keep Lazor from trying these "cute" plays then he can't control his OC and he's not the man for the job. I don't agree with Omar often, but I absolutely do there.

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                    • #15
                      Originally posted by ONOle1 View Post
                      One thing Omar said that I actually agree with about DC and we will see how it is going forward, but if he can't keep Lazor from trying these "cute" plays then he can't control his OC and he's not the man for the job. I don't agree with Omar often, but I absolutely do there.
                      Maybe he's onboard with those plays? He's a rookie driver, suddenly put in the driver's seat of a car tweaked for a different driver, who was losing badly! That might be enough to push him to trying unconventional methods to get some offensive production. Seems that the Dolphins tried a similar approach back in 2008, under Tony Fistpump...
                      Last edited by Wulf; 11-06-2015, 02:16 PM.

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