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  • #1

    Patriots still cheating?

    Do you think the Patriots are still cheating?

    Finatic and I disagree on this. I say they're still cheating because there has been no real punishment for it. I just can't believe Belichick is that great of a coach to take all of these unknown players and coaches and make them perform the way the do. If he was that great why did he get fired in Cleveland? They have shown they have no problem with cheating. So what do you think? Are they still cheating?
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  • #2
    Cleveland was what, 20 years ago? I think he learned a lot from Parcells and also his first time tenure at HC. He got fired in Cleveland due to his mishandling of Kosar and the abrasive personality. If the Browns weren't always a mess, he might still be there if he had a QB.

    As for his tenure with the Pats, he and the Org, have been fined repeatedly over past 15 years since he's been in NE. If they weren't guilty, they wouldn't have been fined, lost draft picks, or have this on-going issue right now with Brady pending over the deflate-gate things that is still active.

    Can't say that he is currently cheating, as they are under close scrutiny right now, but they will definitely take any competitive or ''non-competitive'' advantage they can.

    YMMV.

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    • #3
      I disagree..........with Belichick learning from Belichick. I think it was the other way around. In my opinion if it wasn't for Belichick nobody would know who Parcells was, not the other way around. The Giants won the Super Bowl twice because of Belichick NOT Parcells. The Giants were totally dominate on defense because of Bill Belichick and his genius play calling and because of those defensive schemes he put together Parcells was able to take two teams to the Super Bowl, and win, with mediocre quarterbacks. Beilichick's defensive scheme in the 1990 Super Bowl to stop that stopped the unstoppable Bills offense was so brilliant that his defensive scheme is in the Hall of Fame. So, I have to respectfully disagree with any credit given to Parcells for helping Belichick become a great coach.

      To the question at hand..........Yes, I think the Patriots will always toe the line and go over it whenever they can. I do NOT believe they did anything illegal in the game against the Dolphins and I don't think they cheat on a regular basis, but I do believe they are not afraid to go over the line if they feel they can get away with it.
      "If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - George S. Patton

      “The only thing worse then a liar is a liar that’s also a hypocrite!” - Tennessee Williams
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      • IMAWriter
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        IMAWriter commented
        10-31-2015, 01:10 PM
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        Sorry, Cuch. This time, the "like" goes to THIS fellow.
    • #4
      Originally posted by DolphinsFreak View Post
      I disagree..........with Belichick learning from Belichick. I think it was the other way around. In my opinion if it wasn't for Belichick nobody would know who Parcells was, not the other way around. The Giants won the Super Bowl twice because of Belichick NOT Parcells. The Giants were totally dominate on defense because of Bill Belichick and his genius play calling and because of those defensive schemes he put together Parcells was able to take two teams to the Super Bowl, and win, with mediocre quarterbacks. Beilichick's defensive scheme in the 1990 Super Bowl to stop that stopped the unstoppable Bills offense was so brilliant that his defensive scheme is in the Hall of Fame. So, I have to respectfully disagree with any credit given to Parcells for helping Belichick become a great coach.

      To the question at hand..........Yes, I think the Patriots will always toe the line and go over it whenever they can. I do NOT believe they did anything illegal in the game against the Dolphins and I don't think they cheat on a regular basis, but I do believe they are not afraid to go over the line if they feel they can get away with it.
      I totally agree with you about Parcells. The fat douche never won anything without Hoodie. Bellicheat has done nothing but win without Parcells.
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      • #5
        10 years from now, someone in the Pats organization will be that generation's José Canseco, and spill the beans about the sophisticated Bluetooth spyware installed in Gillette stadium, to intercept all communication between opposing QB's and the OC, and defensive signals from the DC to the MLB. The morons with the NFL "searched" the visitor's locker room for "bugs." That's 1960's technology. Now, with bluetooth, a cellphone could be hacked, and allow direct broadcast. Or just 1 device, hidden in an air vent, again Bluetooth or some other stealth technology. There have already been claims of this sort of thing in the past with another team, can't remember whose.
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        • #6
          Rookie my azz! I'm SO veteran, it's all I can do to stay awake by 7PM.
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          • #7
            Rob, I never said said anything about Parcells winning superbowls with or without Belichick. I was talking about learning what it takes to be a HC and the psychology behind leading teams. Of course Belichick learned from Parcells about being a HC. He worked under Parcells for almost a decade before going to the Browns.

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            • #8
              IF Belichick learned anything from Parcells is what NOT to do as a head coach. (ie - Do the exact opposite as Parcells to win) Parcells won two Super Bowls with shitty QB's and a killer Belichick defense. Belichick failed in Cleveland and then built a team around a quarterback, focusing the attention to the offensive line and protecting his prized quarterback and then coaching up the defense to play the way he likes. I don't see any comparisons to any of Parcells teams to what Belichick has built. What kind of success does Parcells have on teams without Belichick?
              "If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - George S. Patton

              “The only thing worse then a liar is a liar that’s also a hypocrite!” - Tennessee Williams

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              • #9
                Interesting, I just read that a NEW allegation of cheating has been filed by the jets. Where there"s smoke, there's fire.
                While it takes two to have an argument, it only takes one to walk away.

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                • #10
                  What I think Belichick learned from Cleveland was what it feels like to get fired for losing and he never wants to feel that again. So he is willing to do anything, including cheating, to never feel that again.
                  Can we sign this guy?

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by cuchulainn View Post
                    Rob, I never said said anything about Parcells winning superbowls with or without Belichick. I was talking about learning what it takes to be a HC and the psychology behind leading teams. Of course Belichick learned from Parcells about being a HC. He worked under Parcells for almost a decade before going to the Browns.
                    Hurt feelings, have we? haha. You know I really enjoy your posts. I just hate fatty Parcells and will deny he ever set foot in the Dolphins complex.
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                    • cuchulainn
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                      cuchulainn commented
                      10-31-2015, 06:21 PM
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                      Nah, I just find it silly that people go out of their way to discredit ''fatty Parcells''. If some want to think Belichick evolved on his own with no other coaching influences on him, let alone a HOF HC, so be it... ;-)
                  • #12
                    Originally posted by IMAWriter View Post

                    Hurt feelings, have we? haha. You know I really enjoy your posts. I just hate fatty Parcells and will deny he ever set foot in the Dolphins complex.
                    Parcells and JJ IMHO. Two over blown coaches that were more ego than anything.
                    While it takes two to have an argument, it only takes one to walk away.

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                    • IMAWriter
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                      IMAWriter commented
                      10-31-2015, 05:39 PM
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                      Dolphan1, as a Canes fan, as regards Jimmah, I can't agree with you, sir. That man would have won at least 4, maybe 5 Super Bowls.
                    • Dolfan1
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                      Dolfan1 commented
                      10-31-2015, 10:20 PM
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                      With that many picks in the draft that he got for Hershel Walker, you and I could have won 4 or 5. That makes him a great GM nothing more. He should have stayed in the college ranks IMHO.
                  • #13
                    Originally posted by Dolfan1 View Post
                    Parcells and JJ IMHO. Two over blown coaches that were more ego than anything.
                    I don't care about Parcells one way or the other, but I think JJ had a mental breakdown after coming here. He's never even been the same person after that beatdown by (Parcells former wide receivers coach), Tom Couglin's Jags team.

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                    • Dolfan1
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                      Dolfan1 commented
                      10-31-2015, 10:22 PM
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                      No bud, he lost it the year before and the team was stupid enough to talk him into coming back one more year. So technically he quit on us twice. Like I said, great gm, over blown coach.
                  • #14
                    Sorry I am not buying it. I think they definitely cheated with spygate. I think they cheat on the same level of other teams when it comes to substitution strategies, working the injury list, bringing in players we cut etc. But they are under such close scrutiny I do not believe they are cheating in any major way that is giving them a decisive advantage. The context of this conversation was that FFKC was thinking we lost because of some kind of cheating and the Patriots knew where we were going and what plays we were calling. My position is we made a ton of errors. Gronk unchallenged off the line, Deon Lewis uncovered out of the backfield, LBs covering Edelmen, bad blocking. dropped passes, penalties, bad decisions by Tannehill to throw into coverage or to hold the ball too long. Tannehill not seeing wide open WRs, the safety play fumble, etc. etc. etc. We lost the game because New England game plans better than any team in the league, executes better than any team in the league, and Brady the Douche is too damn good. We needed to play at a high level to win and we played at a low level. We emotionally acted beat from the beginning. Dan Campbell and the players looked like they didn't believe they could win. They were stiff and did not execute at even a mediocre level especially Ryan Tannehill.

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                    • #15
                      Well let me make this perfectly clear (in my best Nixon voice) I believe they still cheat but no I don't think we lost because of it. The Pats are a great team and we lost simply because they are better than us. That's why I get so angry about their cheating. It's not necessary for them to cheat, they are good enough without it.
                      While it takes two to have an argument, it only takes one to walk away.

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                      • cuchulainn
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                        cuchulainn commented
                        11-01-2015, 11:23 AM
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                        Completely agree.
                      • VAIDER5120
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                        VAIDER5120 commented
                        11-01-2015, 01:05 PM
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                        You saved me from messing up a perfect quote that sums up what I think. (golf clap)
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