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  • Coyle getting CANNED

    I'm happier than I was....

  • #2
    DB coach under Coyles, Lou Anarumo is new DC.

    Not sure how I feel about this, but as many have said - "anyone can do better than Coyles".

    What's the worst that could happen, we give up 41 points to a division rival?

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    • London Fish & Chips
      London Fish & Chips commented
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      Anyone BUT Coyle

    • FinFan in KC
      FinFan in KC commented
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      If nothing else, all the moves show that poor performance is unacceptable.

  • #3
    Been there done that....no more read and react, how about react and put someone on the ground....

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    • #4
      Yes both Coyle and Philbin can go back to the cold.
      The deeper the roots, the higher the reach.

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      • #5
        Blood...we want more blood...

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        • #6
          ALBERT HAYNESWORTH

          DT, Washington Redskins
          Drafted in the first round of the 2002 draft by the Titans, Haynesworth was a star in Jeff Fisher's 4–3 defense, where he used his tremendous strength as a one-gap tackle to terrorize quarterbacks and confuse blockers in stunts with end Kyle Vanden Bosch. When the Redskins signed him to a seven-year, $100 million contract with a then-record $41 million guaranteed in February 2009, they unexplainably made him a two-gap tackle in more of a hybrid defense. Basically, they paid Haynesworth handsomely to soak up blockers for other pass-rushers. It was perhaps the most ridiculous decision of Vinny Cerrato's ill-fated time as Washington's GM, but Haynesworth didn't help his case with a poor attitude and inconsistent conditioning.

          When Mike Shanahan became the Redskins's coach in 2010, there was a standoff between player and coach regarding Haynesworth's physical condition, and he was eventually suspended for failing to follow team rules. The Redskins traded him to New England in 2011 for a fifth-round pick in the '13 draft, and Haynesworth was released from the Patriots' employ after a confrontation with assistant coach Pepper Johnson. The Buccaneers gave Haynesworth a chance, but that didn't work out. For all their money, the Redskins got two years from Haynesworth, in which he put up 6.5 sacks and 42 total tackles. In 2012, the Redskins were handed severe salary cap penalties for their attempts to spread out the damage of Haynesworth's contract during the uncapped year of 2010. Haynesworth was indeed the gift that kept on giving.

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          • London Fish & Chips
            London Fish & Chips commented
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            Some people try and try to re-invent the wheel

        • #7
          What's the point of the Haynesworth post and quote?

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          • #8
            It's the same thing Coyle did with Suh, 1 gap vs 2 gap....

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            • #9
              Mitchell is very good 1-gap

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              • #10
                Suh is a 1-Gap player

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                • TrueFinFan
                  TrueFinFan commented
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                  Jimmy Johnson ran a 2 gap system. The difference was he always had huge DL that solely wanted to play 2 Olineman and not be disruptive while his LB were fast and athletic. This team has neither of those scenarios which means they should convert to. 1 gap system and have the LB's fill. Also, could someone please tell Bryce to move up 10 yards closer to the WR?

              • #11
                Coyle wants a 2-gap system

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                • Dolfan1
                  Dolfan1 commented
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                  K, I responded the same time you did and I agree. Both DC were dead wrong to try and fit the players to their system. Hopefully Suh will not let it sour him like AH did.

                • London Fish & Chips
                  London Fish & Chips commented
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                  That's it, Coyle has this whole wait and see mentality, that won't and doesn't work in the NFL. These guys are too fast to wait and see, by then you're 5 yards off the ball and the ball ends up 10 yards down the field....

              • #12
                I'm guess this is to show how both clubs misused these two players and isn't to compare the two as players.
                While it takes two to have an argument, it only takes one to walk away.

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                • London Fish & Chips
                  London Fish & Chips commented
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                  Yes, you're right, Hanesworth is a lazy fat money grubbing slug, but played the 1 gap very good, Suh is a well built money grubbing stud that plays the 1 gap very good.....

                • cuchulainn
                  cuchulainn commented
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                  Still apples to oranges from my POV. Haynesworth was good, but never great - until he wanted a fat contract for a single season, then he only did want he wanted to do.

              • #13
                There's no comparison between these two IMO...

                Suh played ALL techniques in Detroit, where he was absolutely a monster. He had LBs behind him able to make plays though.



                As for the Haynesworth comparison, it's not there... Haynesworth was a guy that was merely good at times most of his career and really only had 1 great season - his last in TN. Suh has been consistently great since college. Haynesworth was notoriously lazy until his contract year. His motor was inconsistent and he always had attitude problems. That isn't a comparable description when talking about Suh. Suh is a dirty MF at times, but he competes every single down. Haynesworth couldn't even pass conditioning drills when he got to the Skins and refused to work on conditioning drills and to go all out in practice.

                Suh has some issues, but he has never been accused of not working. Haynesworth was nothing but a "contract year" player and was going to take the money and run. Suh has been a pro-bowl type player since his rookie season and is still on a HOF type track.

                Haynesworth had merely one season where he played 16 games. Suh has had 4/5 seasons playing 16 games... missing 2 for suspension in his second season.

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                • London Fish & Chips
                  London Fish & Chips commented
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                  "Suh's shoe choice was perhaps a way of showing he didn't respect the defense the team had been running, at least not enough to wear his cleats instead of sneakers.

                  NFL Media's Ian Rapoport also reported on Sunday that during the week, the Dolphins' defense held a closed-door meeting with Coyle to complain about the defensive scheme.

                  Players had a very frank and contentious closed-door meeting with Coyle this week, sources say, and they attempted to clear the air. The message was his schemes were too complex and constricting, and that they didn't put the players in position to make plays.

                  They begged him to simplify, and a source said Coyle junked many of the complexities of the defense this week to allow the players to play.

                  As Salguero notes, the Dolphins play a two-gap defensive scheme — defensive linemen line up directly across from the offensive linemen — which forces players to read the two gaps and react, instead of lining up between two offensive linemen and just attacking the offense."

                • cuchulainn
                  cuchulainn commented
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                  Agree with this...

              • #14
                Osi Umenyiora: Dolphins defense issue 'on defensive coordinator'

                LONDON -- English-born former NFL defensive lineman Osi Umenyiora will be among the hosts at the NFL fan rally at Trafalgar Square here on Saturday as both the Miami Dolphins and New York Jets will gather before an expected crowd of approximately 40,000 to raise the curtain on the International Series that begins Sunday.
                Umengyiora obviously has been doing his homework on both the Dolphins and the Jets and he discussed Miami's defensive line struggles (only one sack in three games, none in the past 11 quarters) while appearing on NFL Network's NFL HQ Thursday.
                And in that discussion, Umenyiora put the line's struggles squarely on defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle.
                "Ndamukong 'the beast from the east' Suh, from what I've seen he's still playing very well," Umenyiora said. "Cameron Wake is one of the best pass rushers we have in this league. I am going to put this squarely on the defensive coordinator's shoulders.
                "What I've seen is Olivier Vernon dropping into coverage, I've seen Cameron Wake two-gapping, I've seen Ndamukong Suh two-gapping which is what you can't have with these perennial All-Pro pass rushers. You have to let them rush up the field. You have to let these rushers rush and the defensive coordinator hasn't done that.
                "That's why they're underperforming. But I think they're going to get back to that this weekend."
                The Dolphins run a base 4-3 defense that should typically use one-gap concepts for the four defensive linemen. That means a lineman is responsible for one gap. He must try to stop running plays there. He often rushes the passer from that gap.
                The Dolphins do switch things up. And they do run two gap concepts. And in that regard, the defensive lineman is responsible for gaps on either shoulder. That means he must first read the play (pass or run, and to what side it is going if a run) and then react to the play through the appropriate gap.
                Two gap defensive linemen typically read and react by definition.
                And the problem with that?
                The Dolphins are asking aggressive up-field rushers to think first and then react to the play in front of them rather than attack one gap and let everyone else fill the other gaps which are their assignments.
                And so here are the issues:
                This is not new to the Dolphins. They've done this to a degree or another since Coyle became the defensive coordinator. Indeed, when they ran a 3-4 defense, the Dolphins used the two-gap approach because that's how it had to be with the linemen.
                So now -- four years into Coyle -- this is a problem? I can see that it might be an issue for Suh. He's new. I can see it might be an issue for maybe C.J. Mosley. He's new. But Wake?
                I don't like a two-gap read and react approach out of the 4-3. The Dolphins have tigers on the defensive line and the two-gap approach effectively keeps them on a leash. But it is not new to the vets on the team.
                Another thing: Umenyiora is not around the Dolphins. So he doesn't know if they're going to change things up this week for sure or not. Indeed, if he were around, they're going to tell him about strategic changes?
                But suppose he's right. Suppose a change is coming this week. So after three years and three games this season, now we change?
                Think of what that would say about Coyle? It would tell me he used an approach on defense for years because he believed in it and was confident about it, and then four years in decided to change things suddenly because things weren't working?
                Oh boy.


                Posted by Armando Salguero 10/01/2015 at 03:35 PM | Permalink

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                • #15
                  "Captain" Lou Albano...brings the Wild Samoans with you brother!!!

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