Players to trade at deadline

[hawkfinfan]

Offense:
Matt Moore 5-7th round
Lamar Miller 3-4th round
Greg Jennings 5-7th round
Kenny Stills 3-4th round
Mike Pouncey 1st round

Defense:
Derrick Shelby 5-7th round
Olivier Vernon 2-3rd round
Cameron Wake 2-3rd round
Earl Mitchell 5-7th round
Koi Misi 5-7th round
Brent Grimes 2-3rd round
Louis Delmas 5-7th round
Reshad Jones 4-6th round

I will post my resoning next....

[Alpha]

No way on Pouncey, Shelby or Jones. Might like to hang onto Stills. The rest? Why not.....

[cuchulainn]

Completely agree. Stills had a very good game despite the loss to the jets. I think he was steal was the Saints who is going to come up big for us later on.

[hawkfinfan]

[QUOTE=hawkfinfan;n6744]Offense:
Matt Moore 5-7th round
Lamar Miller 3-4th round
Greg Jennings 5-7th round
Kenny Stills 3-4th round
Mike Pouncey 1st round

Defense:
Derrick Shelby 5-7th round
Olivier Vernon 2-3rd round
Cameron Wake 2-3rd round
Earl Mitchell 5-7th round
Koi Misi 5-7th round
Brent Grimes 2-3rd round
Louis Delmas 5-7th round
Reshad Jones 4-6th round

I will post my resoning next....


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1st all of these guys won't be traded. Second I tried not to be too delusional with the picks we could get.

Moore- this team is not SB bound get rid of him b4 he is worthless.
Miller, if we go Run heavy, he doesn't fit the profile.
Jennings- he is a extra piece a good team will need.
Stills same as above
Pouncey- interesting 1st name Campbell named as a slacker...needing challenge

Shelby_ help with depth with a good team
Vernon- contract so get something instead of 0
Wake- his tank might be empty. Get it while you can.
Mitchell same as Shelby
Misi same as Shelby
Grimes might help good team with a injury providing he is ok
Delmas same as Shelby
Jones same as Grimes.

Hawk

[DolphinsFreak]

Offense:
Matt Moore 5-7th round
Lamar Miller 3-4th round
Greg Jennings 5-7th round
Kenny Stills 3-4th round
Mike Pouncey 1st round

Defense:
Derrick Shelby 5-7th round
Olivier Vernon 2-3rd round
Cameron Wake 2-3rd round
Earl Mitchell 5-7th round
Koi Misi 5-7th round
Brent Grimes 2-3rd round
Louis Delmas 5-7th round
Reshad Jones 4-6th round

I will post my resoning next....

Delmas isn't on the team any longer.

I would try and get a higher draft pick for Jones IF I were to trade him but he is the only player on your list that I would want to keep. I would only want to keep Pouncey because he would be hard to replace, unless of course we got some good coaches that can coach-up players like the Patriots can. They can take someone off this forum and start them this Sunday at center. I would also trade Tannehill for a 1st round pick if we are going to have a fire sale like the Bears are doing. Maybe the Bears would be interested in him? I have my eyes set on Connor Cook in the next draft.

[Idahomer]

Offense:
Matt Moore 5-7th round
Lamar Miller 3-4th round
Greg Jennings 5-7th round
Kenny Stills 3-4th round
Mike Pouncey 1st round

Defense:
Derrick Shelby 5-7th round
Olivier Vernon 2-3rd round
Cameron Wake 2-3rd round
Earl Mitchell 5-7th round
Koi Misi 5-7th round
Brent Grimes 2-3rd round
Louis Delmas 5-7th round
Reshad Jones 4-6th round

I will post my resoning next....

Put the pipe down pal. You've just traded 40% of our starters. Apparently you're fine with waiting another 5 years before even potentially sniffing a playoff birth. Yikes. Must say I'm not on board with you here. I mean Jones is the only player earning his salary. Of the 13 players you want to trade we'd be lucky to get 3 starters in next years draft with those picks. This team has enough holes in positions you don't mention here, trading these guys would pretty much make us the worst team in the NFL for the next 3 to 7 years easily.

[hawkfinfan]

1st all of these guys won't be traded..............like I said.

[cuchulainn]

Dan didn't call Pouncey a slacker at all. No idea where you got that misinformation from...

Here is what he actually said.

We need to change the culture such, just like I said earlier, where it is so competitive on Wednesday, Thursday and maybe even Friday that these guys - it is very intense, it is very heated, it may even teeter on the fact of having to break a few things up, but that is when you really get good, that is when the juices start flowing, that is when you get the most of your players, is when they're having to compete during the week because you can't just go through the motions on Wednesday, Thursday, even Friday and then you just turn it on Sunday. It doesn't work that way, it just doesn't.

You want to get the most out of them, you have to challenge them, they have to be challenged. That goes from the best player we have on this team, to the one that's not the best, OK? Pouncey, as great as he is, he needs to be challenged every day, he needs somebody that's going to push him every day and is trying to beat him every rep, that goes for every player, I don't care if it's Suh, I don't care if it's Misi, I don't care if it's Landry, they have to be pushed and they have to be worked, they have to be challenged and that's the first thing that I'm changing. I'm going to challenge these guys and I want them to have to compete."

He named the best players on the team on purpose as these are veterans and defacto leaders that are expected to perform. By naming them he is setting the expectation that they are going to get on-board with helping him change the culture. He wasn't calling Pouncey, Suh, Misi, or Landry slackers - he was setting expectations.

[ONole1]

IMO these are the guys that he considers the leaders on this team and that's why he mentioned them. If he is going to push these guys then he is going to push EVERYONE.

[Dolfan1]

Good post Cuch. I was going to bring up the Pouncey comment as well but you beat me to it. I didn't hear him call ANYONE a "Slacker".

[Dolfan1]

No, that seems to be what the writers pull. They insert a word that wasn't said and all hell breaks loose in the media.

[hawkfinfan]

Well if you get named as needed to or going to be challenged.. Whatever. I disagree. Maybe he is just going to send them notes of encouragement. Needless to say ,but Pouncey no matter who plays guard next to him never gets better. it's been happening for years.

[Dolfan1]

I'm not sure what Pouncey you're talking about. He stunk it up last year when we had him at guard but prior to that he was a freakin pro-bowler. He hasn't been the problem it's the two guys playing alongside of him at Guard that are stinking the place up.

[FTLDOLFAN]

Offense:
Matt Moore 5-7th round
Lamar Miller 3-4th round
Greg Jennings 5-7th round
Kenny Stills 3-4th round
Mike Pouncey 1st round

Defense:
Derrick Shelby 5-7th round
Olivier Vernon 2-3rd round
Cameron Wake 2-3rd round
Earl Mitchell 5-7th round
Koi Misi 5-7th round
Brent Grimes 2-3rd round
Louis Delmas 5-7th round
Reshad Jones 4-6th round

I will post my resoning next....

If we don't trade Tannehill then I would look to trade Moore. I think a 5th round pick is the most we could get since Cassel was traded for a 5th round pick.

I think a 4th round pick is the most we could get for Miller. I think the Cowboys would be a team that might be interested.

I don't think Greg Jennings has any trade value. If we could get something for him then go ahead.

I think a 5th round pick is the most we would get for Stills. I would actually keep him now because I think he will be better next year with a different QB.

I don't think we are looking to trade Pouncey and I don't think anybody would give us a first round pick anyway also the cap hit would be too much.

With the way Shelby OV Wake and Mitchell have been playing I don't think they have any trade value. We have statistically the worst D-line in the NFL.

I don't think we can afford to trade Misi since we are so thin at LB anyway and I don't think he has any trade value.

Grimes might bring us back a 3rd round pick. If we are out it and someone offered us a 3rd for him then I would do it.

Delmas is no longer on the team since he had a season ending injury and he will be a free agent.

I would not trade Reshad Jones.

[VAIDER5120]

I wouldn't trade any of those players not to mention what most of these players would do to that thing called the SALARY CAP. I know a lot of people are worried about Suhs contract and RTs contract but a lot of these players would put us in the red THIS year. Who would we get to replace them anyway for this year not to mention the future? A team full of rookies when we're already one of the youngest teams in the league? Most of this needs to stay in that game called MADDEN.

[ONole1]

There are a few guys I am considering trading before the deadline if Miami doesn't win the next two games. If they do win the next two games even though it's coming into the teeth of the schedule anything can happen. This roster has a lot of talent and I thought it could win in spite of the coaches. If Carpenter can spark a change and get these guys to play up to the talent level they are as good as any team out there. I know it's an uphill battle and hopes are very slim, but you never know what can happen if you can just get in the playoffs and right now they aren't out of it.

[cuchulainn]

Agreed... IF we're motivated and can fix the pass pro and run blocking and defense, we win the next 2 games and get back to 3-3. We do that, then we only need to win 6 of the next 10 games to have a shot.

We should have Albert, Sims, Ajayi and Grimes back by the 18th.

[Driven_Phinsane!]

I don't think anyone would give us anything for Matt Moore, he stinks! Pretty sure you couldn't get anything for Greg Jennings either, any team had the chance to sign him in FA and they all passed - Plus he has pretty much sucked out there while given ample opportunity to help our struggling (using this term VERY lightly, lol) O! No one in their right minds would give up a draft pick for Delmas, an old guy currently on IR, with serious injury history who will have missed the last season and a quarter by the time he's ready to play again - IF he'll ever play again...

There's no way in my mind can i see a way to justify trading Pouncey, our OLine is beyond pathetic, but he's the only guy out there worth a shit - Even if you could get someone to up a 1st for him (Never happen IMO), you'd have to add Center as your top priority when trying to patch together a line that's marginally better than a set of subway turnstiles. I wouldn't trade Stills though i'm not sure we have a clue as to how to use him..In a perfect world the Cowboys would call & offer a 2nd round pick for Lamar Miller & we'd jump all over it, in an imperfect world he'll remain our #1 back...

Absolutely no way do you trade Reshad Jones, our best defensive player, he along with Jarvis Landry are the only two guys i see playing their hearts out, week-in, week-out...No way do you get a 2nd or 3rd for Wake - Some team in need of a pass-rusher might up a 5th, but he's basically become a one-trick pony, and his one trick has yet to produce a single sack. Same with OV, never get a 2nd or 3rd for him..I personally wouldn't trade Shelby for a 5-7th, i'd actually play him more as he's always produced in his limited playing time. Someone might give a pick for Grimes but i believe it would be in the 3rd-5th range, question is how do you justify trading our only decent Corner, when our secondary sucks so bad as it is?

The rest of these guys are 'just guys' and would probably only garner a 6th or 7th, is what it is i guess...

[cuchulainn]

Agreed.... trading Pouncey and Jones is ludicrous. This is likely Grimes and Miller's last seasons here as well. Grimey is too expensive and old and has baggage with Miko. Miller and OV are going to want money they aren't worth.

If I'm trading guys OV and Wake is at the top of the list - age, injuries, and slipping production are hurting Wake and OV is over-rated. Fede and Shelby are easily as productive (or not).

[Driven_Phinsane!]

I agree on Wake & OV, though you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone willing to give up anything for either guy, IMO...I figured we'd look to restructure Grimes, seems he takes a lot of flak from Fins fans but he's still a damn good Corner, and i think he loves Miami & i've read he feels appreciated by the org. - Not sure how much his crazy wife plays in the grand scheme of things, especially now that Queasy's gone..I'd either get him to take a pay-cut or restructure him to a team-friendly contract, if neither of these can get done, then i'd shop him for a pick...