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    With Jordan Phillips showing that he can push the pocket backwards and OV hobbled by an ankle injury, it makes me wonder if we couldn't find a way to get Suh off of his regular double teams on passing downs.. How about rushing Suh and Wake from the DE spots with Wake paired next to Phillips and Mitchell or Shelby next to Suh. Suh has Reggie White size, speed and athleticism. He would be hell on OTs with his ability to bull rush or speed rush. Everything would naturally get funneled to Mitchell who has excellent ability to play to his left or right and catch QBs trying to sneak up past the chaos. Also, at any point did Coyle consider flip- flopping Mitchell and Suh when Washington continued to run left the whole first half? It was frustrating watching Suh get cut at the knees on the backside every play. Putting him out in front of the play probably would have eliminated most of that.

  • #2
    Originally posted by kelbail21 View Post
    With Jordan Phillips showing that he can push the pocket backwards and OV hobbled by an ankle injury, it makes me wonder if we couldn't find a way to get Suh off of his regular double teams on passing downs.. How about rushing Suh and Wake from the DE spots with Wake paired next to Phillips and Mitchell or Shelby next to Suh. Suh has Reggie White size, speed and athleticism. He would be hell on OTs with his ability to bull rush or speed rush. Everything would naturally get funneled to Mitchell who has excellent ability to play to his left or right and catch QBs trying to sneak up past the chaos. Also, at any point did Coyle consider flip- flopping Mitchell and Suh when Washington continued to run left the whole first half? It was frustrating watching Suh get cut at the knees on the backside every play. Putting him out in front of the play probably would have eliminated most of that.
    Coyles is still pondering on whether water is wet...

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    • London Fish & Chips
      London Fish & Chips commented
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      That cut block came from Shanny the Rat, Denver was famous for the same thing....

      LOL, funny Cuch, why Coyles is still on this team makes me wonder if the whole front office is still pondering whether water is wet...

    • cuchulainn
      cuchulainn commented
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      Yeah, but Shanny learned it from the 49ers who started that stuff back in the day before he was even an OC with them. As for Coyles, I think they stuck with him simply because this is a 1 year gig for Philbin to make or break. Should be a winning season/playoffs or clean house.

  • #3
    I think playing Suh at DE occasionally is a good idea but don't think we need to do it the entire game. I would mix things up on our D-line rotation to keeps teams of balance.

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    • #4
      I agree with KellBail and Cuch on this one. I love the idea of moving the players around but I really don't think Coyle is creative enough to do it.

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      • #5
        Suh could probably bull rush and overpower several OT's in the NFL. I would do that on occasion and put him at DE especially when we play teams who have a weak link at one of the OT positions. We have the luxury of having Mitchell Phillips Mosley or Francis who we can play at DT if we play Suh at DE.

        Also if we want to go big on run downs we could go with a Jumbo D-line of Fede Mitchell Phillips and Suh.

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        • #6
          I honestly think Suh could break the sack record from LDE. And Wake could go crazy with strip sacks from the blind side. Phillips is the guy that makes this scenario possible. He will definitely draw two blockers inside. If he can be consistent with that monstrous push inside, he will be very special.

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          • #7
            Originally posted by kelbail21 View Post
            With Jordan Phillips showing that he can push the pocket backwards and OV hobbled by an ankle injury, it makes me wonder if we couldn't find a way to get Suh off of his regular double teams on passing downs.. How about rushing Suh and Wake from the DE spots with Wake paired next to Phillips and Mitchell or Shelby next to Suh. Suh has Reggie White size, speed and athleticism. He would be hell on OTs with his ability to bull rush or speed rush. Everything would naturally get funneled to Mitchell who has excellent ability to play to his left or right and catch QBs trying to sneak up past the chaos. Also, at any point did Coyle consider flip- flopping Mitchell and Suh when Washington continued to run left the whole first half? It was frustrating watching Suh get cut at the knees on the backside every play. Putting him out in front of the play probably would have eliminated most of that.
            How dare you get creative...what are you thinking? This is Kevin Coyle we are talking about. This guy is clueless as a DC. He doesn't know how to coach to individual's talents but he has his system and they must conform to it. He should have been canned when Sherman was. There are so many things they could do to confuse the offense but Coyle would rather line up and show them what they are getting. Got to remember, Coyle's defense is the great bend but don't break defense in the first half and he will make adjustments at half time.

            Newsflash to Coyle...this is the NFL, you have to make adjustment the next series not the next half...

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            • cuchulainn
              cuchulainn commented
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              C'mon now, Coyles is VERY creative. Remember when he had Wake chasing scat backs and OV lumbering after TEs? lol... He gets too cute with trying to out fox opponents is his problem. It takes them one or two snaps to figure out what he's doing while it takes him 2 qtrs to make adjustments.

          • #8
            To tell you the truth I am not a 3-4 fan, but I think Coyle should play some 3-4 formations.

            At DT I would be playing Mosley, Francis, and Mitchell on the nose in a rotation

            At DE I would be using Mitchell, Suh, Phillips, Fede, and Shelby.

            At OLB I would use Wake, Vernon, McCain, Jenkins

            At ILB I would use Misi, Jenkins, Vigil, Shepard

            Obviously I wouldn't play that all the time and when they play nickle go back to a four man front, but I think doing this would help solve the run defense as your putting an extra big body and putting athletic guys at OLB and putting your most physical LBs in Misi and Jenkins in the middle.

            I know this is crazy thinking and Coyle would never have it, but oh well, I never stayed inside the lines either...lol

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            • cuchulainn
              cuchulainn commented
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              Never know... we creamed the Pats opening game last season with a 5-2 formation and he has run some hybrid 3-4 and 4-3 looks and formations at times. Like I said, he just get's too cute then blames poor execution instead of covering his guys weaknesses and playing to their strengths.

          • #9
            One thing we all know for sure is that the Jags are going to run left. Will we be ready for this big surprise on Sunday?

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