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    doughty, he seemed to see the field and make the throw to the right guy. tannehill sucked bad. the same ole' shoot the ball to the receiver that isn't at the sticks. to me,he just looks unsteady and like a scared rabbit just looking to get rid of the ball.

    grant ,looked good as a returner. he received the ball and his vision had him running to an open lane ,instead of into the backs of his own blockers.

    the 2nd ans 3rd OL seemed to give the qb's and rb's what they needed to produce. the 1st stringers looked just like last year on second thought the whole 1st string off. looked like last year, no run game and OL collapsing down on the qb in pass plays and the qb who just stands there to either get rid of the ball the second before he's slaughtered or he gets sacked. doughty looked like he had a grip on what to do out there and tannehill looked like he just wanted to find the first guy open he layed his eyes on and get rid of the ball. no moving in the pocket to buy a second and hit a receiver over 3yrds pass the LOS!

    the 1st string defense was mostly the 2nd string defense and allowed the one drive and then did a respectable job. there where a lot of missed tackles that would have resulted in loss of yrds or would have prevented larger positive yrds by rb's,but it is something that will get better as the live action in preseason games continues,you would hope!

    oh just to mention ,as happened last year that burned dan campbell was the penalties that either killed a good drive or a penalty that allowed the opposing off. off on a 3rd and long! it happened last night an a few occasions! that is a major worry if it continues deep into the preseason!

  • #2
    I would like to see Doughty play with the first team. He has something that Tannehill will never have, which are the instincts for the position. If only we could combine Tannehill's physical talent with Doughty's mental skills we would have an elite QB. I still think the mental aspect of Doughty's game can be more effective than just having physical talent. Look at Brady, he is not athletically gifted and he doesn't have a strong arm either but he has the instincts for the position. Doughty looks like he has that as well.

    Grant looked really good as a returner and as a receiver in the offense. He could end up being a steal if we can utilize him properly.

    I think its safe to say that Tunsil has replaced Thomas as our new starting OG.

    The missed tackles on defense were a bit of a concern but unless this becomes a habit then I am not that concerned about it.

    Yes I agree with you about the penalties as well. We have to stop shooting ourselves in the foot with these ridiculous penalties. Its so frustrating when we have a nice drive going and then we commit some dumb penalty and it kills the drive.

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    • IMAWriter
      IMAWriter commented
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      Respectfully, to say Brady isn't athletically talented? He's 37, so he's Marino-like now, but 2 years ago, that little step up move to get the ball to Welker was vintage Brady. He tore the best defense in the league, the Seahawks a new anus that 2nd half. You cannot play that position and not be talented. cam is talented, "athletic." Tell me, if you take Cam now, and Brady in his true prime (or even NOW), if you had one game to win, talent on both sides being equal, who would YOU pick to QB your team? For me, unquestionably Brady...hands down.
      That said, having Doughty is a blessing. I was elated when the Fins drafted him. In typical NFL reasoning, because he couldn't run like Newton, or throw a ball through a brick wall (like about 300 ex NFL QBs that washed out) he, like Russell Wilson was considered Not Good Enough. Jakeem Grant is good enough, as was Darrin Sproles and countless other little guys. As Wulf said on the game day thread, (paraphrasing) "wouldn't it be magical to have a 6th7th round draft choice do great things." Especially at QB, where, sadly we've watched a drafted in the 6th round QB named Brady develop into perhaps the greatest QB in the history of the NFL.
      Last edited by IMAWriter; 08-14-2016, 02:10 AM. Reason: spelling

    • Wulf
      Wulf commented
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      I am excited about Brandon Doughty's potential as well. The kid had a couple awesome years in 14 and 15 with the WKU Hilltoppers.
      Look at his stats, about 70% completions, for 4,900 yds per year, with a 97:19 TD:INT ratio, averaging over 371 ypg...
      He also seemed very comfortable out there, (even though it was "just against backups"... )

  • #3
    I am assuming that each time RT throws the ball 3 yards on a 3rd and 10 that there was a receiver where he threw it? Why are our starting receivers (for years now) running 3 yard routes on 3rd and 10? Should RT throw the ball to an empty spot 11 yards down the field where no Dolphin receiver is? What I saw was Grant getting open 15 yards down the field on 3rd and 10 and Doughty throwing it to him. Maybe Grant hasn't been there long enough to get "coached up on the Dolphin way". But I can't see how RT can be blamed for the receivers not going past the sticks on a 3rd down. Based on that I can't make a case for Doughty over Tannehill based on Grant's performance, but I do like what I saw from him last night. If the preseason was over today, he would be my #2 QB and Moore would be shipped off to Dallas. Let's see what happens over the next 3 weeks.

    Tunsil has to start, probably had the best game of any Dolphin last night. Grant needs a package in the 1st string offense to see if he can compete at that level. Landry needs to never return kicks and punts again, can't afford to lose that talent.

    I agree on the missed tackles. Alonzo was all over the place, getting to the ball and then missing the tackle. Is this a result of not hitting in practice? The CBA strikes again.

    It seemed to me there was a deliberate attempt to not put starters on the field side by side. There really never was a 1st string on offense or defense. On the TD run up the middle on the first possession of the game, Chris Jones was erased by the OG, on goal line D playing Suh's position. Dallas Thomas starting at RG, while Tunsil dominated the scrubs. Seems like Gase doesn't want to show the actual starters together any more than he has to, but they have to get ready too. Develop timing and confidence in each other, we will see over the next 3 games.

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    • DolphinsFreak
      DolphinsFreak commented
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      Thomas should be cut loose.

    • Phintim Menace
      Phintim Menace commented
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      Sorry still not understanding this. So is the explanation that all the receivers get together and say, hey I know the play is designed for 15 yards, but we all know Ryan can only throw a football 9 feet! So let's all just go out 9 feet. Even if we get cut for not running the coaches route, we will run 9 feet! Do you really believe that is what's happening? I not only don't believe that, I don't believe that you believe it. Ryan Tannehill has his issues. And this may be his last year starting in the NFL if he isn't markedly better than last year. But there is no way he is responsible for a receiver running a 3 yard route on 3rd and 10. There is no way he is responsible for the offensive line being so "offensive" and he certainly isn't responsible for our defense being in the bottom 10% of the league last year. But if we try hard enough we may be able to blame him for Jimmy Hoffa's disappearance. The fact that he wasn't born yet for decades shouldn't stop us at this point. Clearly this is a dynasty football team OTHER than Ryan Tannehill holding them all back.

    • IMAWriter
      IMAWriter commented
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      "Maybe Grant hasn't been there long enough to get "coached up on the Dolphin way." Had my best laugh of the day. Brilliant stuff, PM.

  • #4
    Grant was a highlight. I'm hoping Doughty beats out 17. I'm so sick of 17 looking like it's his first day in the field. He was pathetic last night....Doughty looked the vet in comparison.

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    • #5
      Wow, really down on RT. I would have to see Doughty produce consistently, game in and game out against real competition not just 2 possessions against a bunch of guys who will never be on any NFL regular season roster, let alone starters. But he has my attention.

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      • #6
        Originally posted by FTLDOLFAN View Post
        I would like to see Doughty play with the first team. He has something that Tannehill will never have, which are the instincts for the position. If only we could combine Tannehill's physical talent with Doughty's mental skills we would have an elite QB. I still think the mental aspect of Doughty's game can be more effective than just having physical talent. Look at Brady, he is not athletically gifted and he doesn't have a strong arm either but he has the instincts for the position. Doughty looks like he has that as well.

        Grant looked really good as a returner and as a receiver in the offense. He could end up being a steal if we can utilize him properly.

        I think its safe to say that Tunsil has replaced Thomas as our new starting OG.

        The missed tackles on defense were a bit of a concern but unless this becomes a habit then I am not that concerned about it.

        Yes I agree with you about the penalties as well. We have to stop shooting ourselves in the foot with these ridiculous penalties. Its so frustrating when we have a nice drive going and then we commit some dumb penalty and it kills the drive.
        I don't even need to make a post, you said almost everything I was going to say. Aha

        i thought McCain looked pretty good.

        Grant didn't have any big plays but you could see the obvious potential there. I think he will run back a few kicks this season. The kid is lightening fast!!

        Doughty definitely has the skills and NATURAL abilities of a quarterback. He looks like a better quarterback then Tannehill. That's not saying he should start, I am just saying he looks like he is more natural back there and does things that Tannehill still hasn't figured out how to do iafter four years in the NFL. Doughty didn't lock on to his receivers like Tannrhill continues to do. Does Tannehill know how to move his head? He drops back and looks one direction and one direction only. I would need to see Doughty play against the posing defenses number ones before I can say this is a fact but all signs point to him starting at some point this season IF he can play anywhere near this level against the first team.

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        • IMAWriter
          IMAWriter commented
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          DF, as ya'll know I LOVE Doughty (not in the biblical sense, though if he takes us to the Super Bowl in 2017-2018, who knows!)
          Trouble is, if he starts at ANY point of the season, that means THIS SEASON is lost. Only if you start 1-7, and T-Hill is making Henne look like a keeper, will they make a change. By then, it's play out the string, the rookie takes his lumps. Hopefully not too many lumps.
          We're ahead of ourselves here. Lets see what the closer approximation of the starting O-Line can do next week, and perhaps some designed plays on the move for T-Hill. We all know the man can throw on the run, accurately. better decisions too. Case HAS to let T-Hill be who he is, and not continuously guard against injury. They happen, but T-Hill could just as easily get crushed in the pocket.

      • #7
        the RT thing with me is on every play that he checked down to a 3yrd receiver he had on that play a receiver that could of had 1st down yardage but he checked down. now whether he checked down because he didn't have the time ,but it all plays out that doughty had the same players in front of the sticks but he found receivers that where past the sticks and that's the qb that is going to have success! now doughty might not have the experience but he might have that thing that makes for good qb,awareness whether a receiver will be open in 2 seconds or if he won't ,I don't think tannehill has that to some great extent,so he checks down because he doesn't anticipate that receiver as going to be open. now dan marino had that big time!

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        • DolphinsFreak
          DolphinsFreak commented
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          One of my biggest problems withTannrhill is that he never turns his head. Everyone on the field knows where he's going with the ball right after the ball is snapped. Most people know he can't sense pressure so he has no idea if anyone is coming from behind, and part of that reason might just be because he doesn't turn his head at all and use his peripheral vision.

      • #8
        How do u say tannehill looked horrible because he throws it to the short route right away and doughty look's like the starter. Then say the 1st string oline can't block and didn't give tannehill a second. But the 2nd and 3rd oline gave time. Did u know tannehill was hit on ever pass attempt? Dont you think having time might have something to do with doughty getting to throw the ball further. I know a lot of people on here hate tannehill but this statement makes no sense.

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        • #9
          GRANT- showed good burst, good hands. Made one horrible adjustment on a flag pattern that Moore lobbed up to him. Should have been a TD. He spun around and backpedaled instead of putting his back to the DB and taking the ball over the shoulder and letting it drop in right over the top. I would have liked to see Moore give him a little Dan Marino "encouragement" after that play. Overall, impressive. One great return, a few good ones and a super smart play to go back and get that line drive punt and get some positive yards. Drive started about the 25-30 instead of the 10-15. He is going to be DANGEROUS!
          TUNSIL- A) The man is A MAN
          B) You all saw Dallas Thomas
          DOUGHTY- "Better than Dan Marino. That's right, better than Dan Marino." Still remember that goofy buffoon from Hard Knocks. Sorry lovers but Tannehill is nearing his end in Miami. The man has absolutely no feel for the position and we are officially wasting time with him at the helm. Pressure, yeah pressure, it's the NFL, move your feet. Slide. Glide. Expect it and beat it. His second pass attempt said it all. Yeah, he got pressure but there was a blocker between him and the rusher. He steps in and tries to set up and throw when it's obvious there is no space. He throws the pass while being driven back. How does he not see it or feel it. Move your a$$, man. Tannehill will lose his starting job this season, I guarantee it. Doughty will have growing pains but already shows a better feel for the position than RT. The snapping of the head in progressions, the abilty to come off of one read and on to the next sideline to sideline, drifting to open pasture to gain a clear throwing lane and buy extra time, the patience to allow his receivers' routes to mature to get past the sticks on 3rd down.
          A one yard out pattern to the RB from his own six yard line on 2nd & 10, NO Pressure, RT fires a ball high and behind Ajayi spinning him around. The ball pops up in the air and right to their LB, of course. I mean, come on. First it's the horrible accuracy, one, it's high, two, it's to the inside. Just one inaccurate pass right? Wrong. It's the stupidity of putting so much velocity on such a simple throw. It's beyond elementary, dear Watson, that's pre-school football. Done. Done. I'm done with him. This guy does not make your team better. The sooner we go to Doughty the better we will be by year's end.
          PEAD- He may have gotten a bit carried away with his spin move but he exhibited good vision and the ability to make guys miss in small spaces. I can already envision our main 1-2 punch being Foster and Pead with Ajayi coming in here and there to pound.
          Love what I saw in Tunsil. LOVED IT!
          Pitts- Hmm. Show me that again.

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          • Dolfan1
            Dolfan1 commented
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            We're on the same page with Doughty, Grant, and Pead. Those are the same three I commented on an hour or two ago in the pre season thread.

        • #10
          Originally posted by 61finfan View Post
          Grant was a highlight. I'm hoping Doughty beats out 17. I'm so sick of 17 looking like it's his first day in the field. He was pathetic last night....Doughty looked the vet in comparison.
          Doughty looked good but keep in mind that he was playing against guys who will be flipping burgers in a few weeks while RT was playing against most of the Giants starters and they just did a total revamp of their defense this year adding a lot of talent. Don't throw away the season based on their first pre-season game, give it a fair chance.
          While it takes two to have an argument, it only takes one to walk away.

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          • #11
            Originally posted by Dolfan1 View Post

            Doughty looked good but keep in mind that he was playing against guys who will be flipping burgers in a few weeks while RT was playing against most of the Giants starters and they just did a total revamp of their defense this year adding a lot of talent. Don't throw away the season based on their first pre-season game, give it a fair chance.
            I understand the premise that Tanny was playing first stringers, but Doughty looked like a quarterback, 17 didn't.

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            • #12
              Originally posted by 61finfan View Post

              I understand the premise that Tanny was playing first stringers, but Doughty looked like a quarterback, 17 didn't.
              Was it Doughty's check downs, sacks, the fumbled snap, the throws behind the LOS with the screens, including his misses, or the batted pass that made him look better? lol...

              He made some nice plays, but he wasn't facing much, if any pressure at all. He did show good poise and vision. That was it.

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              • IMAWriter
                IMAWriter commented
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                Ah, my friend, you said "Was it Doughty's check downs, sacks, the fumbled snap, the throws behind the LOS with the screens, including his misses, or the batted pass that made him look better? lol..."
                Ya know, Manning's rookie year, I'll wager some reporters said the very same thing. He is a ROOKIE. Yes he played against many who will not be in a NFL uniform in 3 weeks, but he also was playing WIT several guys who will be firmly seated on the Dolphins sidelines, or worse in 3 weeks. His calm and cool MADE his teammates better. When has RT done that? Ever?

                I hope I'm wrong and Doughty has his ass on the bench WATCHING a top 10 QB take his teammates to the playoffs. I hope.

              • cuchulainn
                cuchulainn commented
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                I'm actually very high on Doughty and posted some good stuff on him after we drafted him. I wasn't displeased with his drafting, his camp, nor his play. I thought he did very well in his first game, but for people to call him a real QB and for him to replace Tannehill after a handful of plays in the 1st PS game is silly.

                Looking for good things from Doughty though and hope he starts taking snaps away from Moore asap.

            • #13
              Originally posted by 61finfan View Post

              I understand the premise that Tanny was playing first stringers, but Doughty looked like a quarterback, 17 didn't.
              I agree and so do MANY other Dolphins fans.

              Although Tannehill only played two series, it was abundently clear that nothing has changed. He never moves his head. He drops back, while locking on to his primary receiver, while never looking at any other part of the field. The few pass plays he was in that's exactly what he did and exactly what he's been doing for four straight years. It's getting old and this is just one of dozens of flaws he has. He has no pocket presence and is NOT a natural quarterback. Doughty is s natural quarterback, that much is obvious. He is a rookie a she is extremely raw BUT he is less raw then Tannehill was when he took his first snap in the league. Gase will figure this out in time, I just hope it's sooner rather than later. May the best man win. 😊

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              • #14
                I still believe Tannehill can get it done, but having new coaches and everyone saying Gase makes players earn their spot (tunsil) why would he not do that at every position including QB. Trufully RT needs competition and they should let them fight it out in preseason. We were 6-10 NOBODY should be a lock. Go 17 prove them wrong!!

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                • #15
                  My favorite show was "Dallas" His team was playing the Stej and as one of the worst Guards in the NFL he was getting the QB killed. So the QB complains to the Boss who agrees and ships him out with the rest of the Philbinites and rides off into the sunset. In the 2nd season premiere I'm so excited I'm first in line to watch the team and there he was back with the Team and New Coaching staff. Thomas gets inserted as a 1st teamer in training camp because some phantom destroyed all his game tape and no one remembered how bad he was. As everyone is cheering, I stand up and say " have you all got Amnesia!!!?? Why is Thomas back!!!?? He left with the rest of them and he didn't get out of the Cockadoody Car!!!!".
                  Last edited by AquaXI; 08-14-2016, 03:02 AM.
                  The deeper the roots, the higher the reach.

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