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  • Reshad Jones considering sitting out the season!

    What an *******!!!!!

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ut-the-season/

  • #2
    Well, if Jones was underperforming would the Dolphins want to restructure his contract and pay him less than 7 million a year?

    If Jones were to hit the open market today what kind of salary would other teams be willing to pay him? I'm guessing that every single fan will come up with a number around 10 million per season. In my opinion Jones has earned it and deserves a bigger contract. I don't see anything wrong with what he's doing.

    Players sign contracts with teams. If a player isn't playing at a level that is worthy of the money that they are paying him that team has no problem breaking that contract and either trying to renegotiate that contract or flat out cut that player. So, on the flip side to that situation, when a player is playing at a level that is worthy of more money, why is it that the player is always the bad guy for wanting to get paid what others are getting around the league who are playing at his level.?

    If you don't pay a player for playing GREAT then what encourages that player to keep playing at that level?

    Pay The Man.

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    • marino4ever
      marino4ever commented
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      DF, I agree 100%.

    • ONole1
      ONole1 commented
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      I don't like it, but it's the only bargaining tool the players have.

    • Wulf
      Wulf commented
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      Pay the man!

  • #3
    Then don't sign a contract. And now your going to say team can cut or restructure.. Its there team there money. I wish I could go to my boss and say I've worked hard. I want a raise or I am sitting home. I would be home looking for a new job. They make tons of money playing a sport. Our troops make hardly nothing putting there lives on the line everyday.

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    • #4
      It's a case of apples and alligators when comparing NFL Contracts to joining the military. You don't join the military for the money that's for sure. You play professional sports because you are going to get paid a lot of money to play a game you love. Win--Win for them.

      NFL contracts can't be compared to those in 9 to 5 jo s either. It's a common practice in the NFL for players to be signed to contracts and have those contracts broken by the team or the player. It should NOT beat one-way street where the owners have all the power. It's simply not fair. Sign a contract. If you don't live up to that contract the owner can fire you or demand that you take less money, thus breaking said contract. BUT, if you exceed ALL expectations and play at the top of your profession, the owners want to keep paying you like an average player? Double Stadard. I am siding with the players on this one. I am usually on the side of the owners but in my opinion if the contracts can be broken by the owners then it can be broken by the players too.

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      • #5
        He'll sit until the fines start racking up. He's making 7 mil a year now, that ain't exactly chump change.
        While it takes two to have an argument, it only takes one to walk away.

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        • #6
          I think he is the 8th highest paid safety. He more than likely wants to be paid like a top 5 safety, which would bump him up to 9-10 million, but would secure his services for the next 4-5 years rather then having him holdout and then walk.

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          • #7
            There's two ways to see this. Use the leverage and force him to play out this year and then restructure before his final season or restructure a new deal that pays him more but will fit into the cap as it goes up with a stipulation that he can not holdout to restructure again without serious financial consequences. Just know that forcing him to play out this year may make him more stubborn restructuring before next year. I realize guys have to make money but it's a big reason why it's so difficult to build a winner. Not a smidgeon of personal sacrifice to help accomplish a team goal. If you're the type of idiot player that spends so much you need to get every penny, every second, you are going to lose it at the end anyway. I hate the ex NFLers who state, "They have to feed their families." Those are the same idiots that are in broadcasting jobs they don't even deserve. Put them into jobs they are really qualified for and they might remember to respect what they've earned. They call that being some kind of rich. What is that phrase?

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            • #8
              Most players can't just be cut anymore. They have guarantees and that nice signimg bonus. If players think they should be able to make more when they do better why don't they just make incentive based contracts. Oh wait they don't because they want the securing of a big contract now. Well u signed it deal with it. I gaurnetee owners would not mind incentive based contracts. Players would hate it.

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              • Dolfan1
                Dolfan1 commented
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                Good Post.

              • DolphinsFreak
                DolphinsFreak commented
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                The owners should have a meeting and ALL agree that they are going to force the players hand. It could work but only if all 32 owners were in agreement, which means it will never happen.

            • #9
              Trade his ass.
              The deeper the roots, the higher the reach.

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              • #10
                Originally posted by DolphinsFreak View Post
                Well, if Jones was underperforming would the Dolphins want to restructure his contract and pay him less than 7 million a year?

                If Jones were to hit the open market today what kind of salary would other teams be willing to pay him? I'm guessing that every single fan will come up with a number around 10 million per season. In my opinion Jones has earned it and deserves a bigger contract. I don't see anything wrong with what he's doing.

                Players sign contracts with teams. If a player isn't playing at a level that is worthy of the money that they are paying him that team has no problem breaking that contract and either trying to renegotiate that contract or flat out cut that player. So, on the flip side to that situation, when a player is playing at a level that is worthy of more money, why is it that the player is always the bad guy for wanting to get paid what others are getting around the league who are playing at his level.?

                If you don't pay a player for playing GREAT then what encourages that player to keep playing at that level?

                Pay The Man.
                Seems much of the time we're on the same wavelength, but we'll seriously have to agree to disagree on this one..Reshad Jones just signed a contract a couple of years ago making him one of the top paid safeties in all of football, not two years has passed, salaries have gone up and the cat's already pissing & moaning & threatening to hold out for the year if he's not taken care of..Poor baby, i know how hard it must be to barely scrape by on 7 1/2 million....

                What pisses me off about the situation more than anything is that a championship team like the Pats have players falling all over themselves to take paycuts and/or restructure for the good of the team; we'll never get to the top if all we're made of is a bunch of greedy *******s who could give two shits about the team and only care about themselves!

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                • cuchulainn
                  cuchulainn commented
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                  Agree... and Jones failed a PEDs test right after than new contract.

              • #11
                Originally posted by DolphinsFreak View Post
                I think he is the 8th highest paid safety. He more than likely wants to be paid like a top 5 safety, which would bump him up to 9-10 million, but would secure his services for the next 4-5 years rather then having him holdout and then walk.
                I love R. Jones play on the field,, but part of the reason he's so successful is because the Fins allow him to freelance & make plays..remember, i believe it was year before last when they forced him to play more the traditional SS role & he pretty much sucked ass?!

                I'm telling you, while i wouldn't mind bumping his salary while extending him (assuring us he'll be here for the longterm) there's nothing that gives me any confidence to think that he wouldn't be once again pissing & moaning another two years down the line when once again he's been surpassed by a few guys salary-wise...

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                • DolphinsFreak
                  DolphinsFreak commented
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                  In all honesty I was unaware that he just had his contract restructure a year or so ago. I would just pay the man, but while restructuring his contract I would change the verbiage of his new contract and make it so that in the future if he decides to pull another stunt like this again he doesn't get paid a dime. I would put in the contract that he must do X, Y and Z in order to get paid and just word it so he must every cent of his new contract. Since he wants to play games with his contract, the Dolphins can extend him and make sure he has to remain healthy to get paid, he has to be in camp for every testify his new contract to get paid, etc. They can use the contract to lock him down for years to come while rewording the contract to make sure this can't happen again.

                • Driven_Phinsane!
                  Driven_Phinsane! commented
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                  Now i'd be all for something like this; as i said i love his play on the field & i'd love to have him locked up for the longterm...It's just so par-for-the-course that as we're a young team with a new coaching staff trying to find ourselves and maybe, just maybe finally right the ship we have one of our best players playing the 'ME-ME-ME' card, disrupting shit & thinking only of himself...

              • #12
                Why not just have all players sign one year contracts? Then everyone can get paid based on how they performed the previous year. Signing a contract is a gamble on both the part of the team and the player since a player can over perform and under perform the terms of the contract. Jones had no problem signing his contract a few years ago making him one of the highest paid safeties in the NFL. I have no sympathy for him. I would call his bluff. I don't think he would pass up $7M while in the prime earning years of his career.

                Furthermore if he sits out the season can't we go after a prorated portion of his signing bonus which means he will lose money.
                Last edited by FTLDOLFAN; 06-05-2016, 09:40 AM.

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                • DolphinsFreak
                  DolphinsFreak commented
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                  I have never been a fan of one-year contracts. The players these days are too selfish and money hungry. There is no team loyalty anymore. It would be hard to keep players in Miami on one-year deals considering in recent years the players know they have no shot at a Super Bowl ring and the team has made the playoffs just twice in about 15 years.

              • #13
                The Dolphins need so many players, I'd say trade him, but we'll just throw away the pick on a couple of has been at one time players, so what's the point.....

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                • #14
                  This is just my opinion.

                  First here is what we know...Kam Chancellor is arguably in my top 5 safeties in the league.

                  Ed Berry
                  Earl Thomas
                  Harrison Smith
                  Kam Chancellor
                  Kenny Vaccaro

                  Jones definitely makes my top 10 list - just an FYI


                  But back to Chance....he decided to hold out all of TC and the first 2 games, until the fines started rolling up....you start thinking twice, when your contract hold starts costing you more money. Don't get me wrong, Jones had his best season ever.

                  Does he deserve a raise...no...when he signed his contract he was the highest paid safety in the NFL....now the majority of my players have gotten new contacts and Jones was the baseline. Jones got over 12 million guaranteed.

                  Theoretically, we have Jones for 3 more years at just roughly over 7.5 million. That is over 22 million - with the last year earning more based on the franchise tag.

                  If Jones wants to be here, why not follow in the same footprints of a proven veteran leader Cam Wake. Wake was entering his final year and the new regimen noticed that he was true professional - on and off the field. They rewarded Wake with an extension.

                  Did Wake state he was going to sit out? Did he miss any OTAs? Was he in the wait room every day?

                  So let's Jones sit.

                  Donte Whitner is out there right now, if we need to put the fear of god in Jones that his selfishness will cost him more.

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                  • #15
                    We have about $17.6M in cap space. Jones is under contract for this year and next year for a little over $7M each year. We could rework his deal and give him the bulk of his raise this year since we are so far under the cap. For instance we could extend him for another year so he would be under contract through 2018 and give him a $5M signing bonus. So in effect we would be signing him to a new 3 year deal worth $26M with a $5M signing bonus so he would get his $5M immediately. Over the course of the next 3 years that would amount to about a $1.7M annual raise and he would get all of that up front. That would also benefit the Dolphins because we would get another year of his services at a relative bargain.

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