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  • What's up with all the negativity

    Maybe because I am island boy, we deal with things differently, but I'm a lil surprised to see a lot of negativity with draft.

    Don't get me wrong - I definitely thought we were going to address our D, but we came away with two legit starters in the secondary, plus it is like we drafted Maxwell and Kiko...so a total of 10 picks 4 D and 6 O

    It's promising....

    I didn't like us trading next years 3rd and 4th, I thought we could have brokered another solution, especially since NE traded away our pick for a 4th rounder next year, but with OV, Miller and Mathew exile we have an additional 3 picks coming our way, but it's after our initial draft allocation.

    Nonetheless, our O is goin to be exciting....we drafted speed in the return game, both players in the same mold as Trindon Holliday - that is something we haven't seen since Tedd Gin Jr. We have a chance to make our Oline special with Trusil, and heavy press corner in Howard and legit change of pace back Drake.

    In all, the Dolphins have 5 starters with this draft selection - when was the last time that actually happened?

    I know we have holes to fix with the D, but this is a rebuilding team that's main goal is development and progress not playoffs and superbowl.


  • #2
    Great analysis! I'm also hoping DJ is allowed back and then we will have another DE/OLB we didn't count on.
    The deeper the roots, the higher the reach.

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    • #3
      A) Most thought that the Dolphins needed to focus on the defense, not the offense
      B) The REACHED for players that they did not have to move up for
      C) They gave away current and future draft picks to move around the draft
      D) They made a trade with a division rival
      E) That division rival used the pick they acquired from the Dolphins and showed the Dolphins how a championship front office uses their draft picks

      Aside from the LUCKY break in the first round I felt the Dolphins front office embarrassed themselves and showed what an inexperienced front office does when they have control of a draft. This is what happens when you promote from within a failing company. When your company has been a failure for decades you don't promote from within and allow a person that has been a big part of the reason for that failure to a high powered position, you look OUTSIDE the company and bring in new, fresh blood that can bring in a fresh outlook on how to run the business.

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      • Bahamas
        Bahamas commented
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        I get it brov

        but you are basing your analysis on players sliding and being available on what? What's the source? Who thought Eli Apple would be gone by 10?

        No one

        All I am saying, is that I am happy the Dolphins stayed true to their draft board and selected the players they wanted. We can't judge this draft until 3 years from now. That's the realistic approach...

        What we do know, is that the front office had a plan, and accomplished what they wanted. Let's see what comes from it before we throw them under the bus.

      • DolphinsFreak
        DolphinsFreak commented
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        I guess you can say that I am basing my opinions on my own draft board, which 9 times out of 10 has been more productive over the years when compared to the Dolphins front office's draft board. This is not a pat on the back to me, the same goes for almost everyone on this forum that give their opinions on players BEFORE the draft and do mock drafts. The players that we usually like end up doing well, while the players the Dolphins have high up on their draft boards end up failing.

        When it comes right down to it, I do NOT trust the Dolphins draft board. What have any other Dolphins front office guys done to gain my trust? These rookie front office guys made rookie mistakes, giving away draft picks for players that would have been there if they stayed at the position they were in. They gave up current and future draft picks for players they didn't need to. The got schooled by our division rival by not only making a trade with them, which is taboo, but the Patriots didn't even want the pick, they just made fools out of the Dolphins with that pick. Why do I need a source? In my opinion MOST of the people on this forum know just as much if not more then the so-called experts.

    • #4
      Mostly the negativity is with the compensation that we gave up and that we didn't do more to pick up another LB or a better RB option than Drake.

      Overall, I like the draft, just hate we wasted so many picks.

      We addressed Defense in FA by picking up Maxwell, Alonso, Williams, Branch, and Laing. Then picked up some additonal DBs to help address the pass D.

      THIS draft was about giving Gase weapons to score points with. We bolstered the OL in FA and the draft as well. With the improved OL and receiving corp (WR, TE, and X-backs), we should be able to put more than 20 ppg this season like 2015, or even back in 2014 when we put up 24+ ppg. Would be nice to average 28+ ppg.

      Gase was the OC for the Broncos when they set the the NFL scoring record. I have no qualms about giving him the pieces to be successful on offense and like that he stated that they wanted ''Alpha personalities''... a welcome change from Philbin, who jettisoned anyone who questioned him.

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      • #5
        Also Akil Blount seems the LB to watch in UDFA. I say he makes the team and contributes not only on ST but situational LB.
        The deeper the roots, the higher the reach.

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        • #6
          Just read 20 biggest steals and Tunsil 1!!! They say Tunsil is the best Tackle coming out of college in the past several years!!!
          The deeper the roots, the higher the reach.

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          • #7
            I didn't know Miami was in the position to give away draft picks, my bad, I must be dyslexic, I thought Miami finish last in their division not first...

            Yes we did get a steal in the first round, a guy that was injured two years and sat out 7 games last year because he can't follow the rules....Forget about the smoking head gear, 7 games, very piss poor decision, I bet all his new money won't affect him negatively...

            Give away draft picks for a so so player, yep Tannybum did that at the jets every year, now he's doing it here...

            We have NO LB'ers, none, oh yea we have a guy that was good a couple years ago we picked up to move down in the draft, I think I would like a guy that was good last year and shows improvement, not the other way around....but that wouldn't fit the Miami mold....

            Tunsil will be thrown into LT as soon as Fat Albert goes back down, now we are right back to the same crappy ol line we always had, oh yea, if you can give RT 4 seconds he'll have one of the 10 WR's we have open down the field....unless these guys can sprint a 40 in under 2 seconds, RT will be looking back at God every game praying this season ends as quickly as possible....




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            • #8
              Originally posted by Aquaaiea View Post
              Just read 20 biggest steals and Tunsil 1!!! They say Tunsil is the best Tackle coming out of college in the past several years!!!
              Tunsil is one of the top 2 or 3 best LT prospects of the last 10 years. He's higher rated coming out than even Jake Long was. Watch him in games and he just makes blocking look easy, and he was doing it against NFL level talent. He glides in pass protection and is really lght on his feet while being heavy on contact. Before the trade down with the Rams occurred, he was he was most likely the #1 pick. He's still the highest rated player in the 2016 Draft.

              Ignore the whining and bitching. The pot smoking video was from 2 years ago and he's never failed a drug test in college, at the Combine, nor the pro-days. He's projected to play LG this season and take over at LT if something happens to Albert. He's going to be a vital player for a long time and cornerstone for a much improved OL.

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              • #9
                Originally posted by cuchulainn View Post

                Tunsil is one of the top 2 or 3 best LT prospects of the last 10 years. He's higher rated coming out than even Jake Long was. Watch him in games and he just makes blocking look easy, and he was doing it against NFL level talent. He glides in pass protection and is really lght on his feet while being heavy on contact. Before the trade down with the Rams occurred, he was he was most likely the #1 pick. He's still the highest rated player in the 2016 Draft.

                Ignore the whining and bitching. The pot smoking video was from 2 years ago and he's never failed a drug test in college, at the Combine, nor the pro-days. He's projected to play LG this season and take over at LT if something happens to Albert. He's going to be a vital player for a long time and cornerstone for a much improved OL.
                All and all he's just another brick in the wall..


                Sorry, couldn't help myself.
                While it takes two to have an argument, it only takes one to walk away.

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                • cuchulainn
                  cuchulainn commented
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                  Hey, you! Leave that kid alone!

                • gulfcoast74
                  gulfcoast74 commented
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                  If ya don't eat your meat you can't have any pudding!!!!
                  You can't have any pudding if you don't eat your meat!!!

                • Driven_Phinsane!
                  Driven_Phinsane! commented
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                  We don't need no edu-ma-cation...But it seems our F.O. could use some, lol...

              • #10
                B;
                I will try to summarize without endlessly repeating myself and what others have said....but I can only speak for myself when I say:

                -I was guilty of a small over-reaction immediately after the draft. We get sooo fired up for the event, they spread the drama over 3 days and hype the ever living crap out of the Draft....and I lap it up like a rabid dog. What helped me was a night's s rest and reading here and other places on the equally overhyped but like oxygen necessary evaluations of the draft. Looking through other drafts, I see they have a lot of nobody weirdness to their drafts too. I did like Buffalo and San Diego's draft.

                -I also forgot in the heat of the moment to give the Eagles trade its due; a part of our overall accomplishment. Seen that way, getting Tunsil, Maxwell, and Alonso was a pretty damn good day 1. In fact, it was the best day one....has to be.

                -Regarding the other days; trade up, trade down, trade sideways.... CB-check. Howard, good as any-he filled out all the criteria in my book. RB-check but there were some real good ones still there for the taking..but I am in and hope he stays healthy, WR, ....wait, what?! Not there in R3!. Replace Matthews, yes, but giving up 2 picks next year to get a guy coveted by only the most astute of plugged in WR specialist draftniks.......sorry not my favorite move of the draft. Spooked rookies? who knows. We can use the depth, and Stills goes FA next year, I think I read.

                -The rest; very cool we got an electric waterbug WR/KR/PR to skirt around the field...why not; I am psyched to see him play. The others were as good as any other late round picks,,
                but........................

                -No Guards. Not related at all to this thread, but I love this Quote from Garnett after being drafted ...."Like I said at the Combine, I like to run through people's souls...." Now that is who I want blocking for my team.
                -No LBs...........the modern NFL defense is built around the LBs. We have one motley group and we must get better here. We did not on Draft day. Bummer.

                -I have heard 2 comments consistently about this draft: First, Gase got the players he wanted. I hope so and maybe that is a step toward us acting as a unit for long term success. It also supposes that Gase knows what he is doing in his first HC job. Second, not to worry about the lost picks, we have compensatory picks next year.....yes I know..........I wanted both.

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                • Bahamas
                  Bahamas commented
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                  I get it brov - it's like Christmas morning and you end up with a barbie instead of transformer.

                  The majority of the draft was to create mismatches. That is what Gase offense is all about. Based on the game tape that I saw, especially in Denver and Chi town, he utilitize mismatches all over the place...

                  Remember how Sherman always had Wallace lined up out wide...Gase will never do that. In 3 games that i watched, Gase only had Sanders, D. Thomas and Caldwell line up in the same position 3 time per game.

                  ridiculous


                  The Bears games I didnt watch specifically because he only had 1 WR on the team, but watch Bennett their TE have his best season with Gase under the helm.

                  Gase knows where to attack, and needed the ingredients to do so

                  As such, when I review the draft board, I understand we signed him to a 5 year deal, so let's see what we he can do. He has Mike Martz mentality, with Josh McDaniels game plan skills.


                  As per the D - We traded for our Kiko and I honestly don't believe we are a LB away from making the playoffs, we are an entire D overhaul away from making the playoffs.

                  This isn't a team that is built to win now, we are built to play competitively. Come this time next year, we will be using the majority of our draft picks and up to 70 million in cap space to start from scratch on the D.

                  Williams and Wake are gone
                  Maxwell - will be hear for one year
                  Howard is our starter for the next 3
                  Suh will be here
                  Philiphs will be rotation
                  The Detriot kid we signed for FS and Jones for the next 2

                  Misi, Jenkins and Kiko are all free agents - let's see what they can do under a contract year. If not, I love the crop of Linebacker coming out next season! Love as in Patrick Willis - Jaylen Mabin....

                  I get the draft picks loss, that hurt...I agree with you, since we are rebuilding our D we need everything - but the 70 million cap space does help my friend.

              • #11
                Originally posted by Kato View Post
                B;
                I will try to summarize without endlessly repeating myself and what others have said....but I can only speak for myself when I say:

                -I was guilty of a small over-reaction immediately after the draft. We get sooo fired up for the event, they spread the drama over 3 days and hype the ever living crap out of the Draft....and I lap it up like a rabid dog. What helped me was a night's s rest and reading here and other places on the equally overhyped but like oxygen necessary evaluations of the draft. Looking through other drafts, I see they have a lot of nobody weirdness to their drafts too. I did like Buffalo and San Diego's draft.

                -I also forgot in the heat of the moment to give the Eagles trade its due; a part of our overall accomplishment. Seen that way, getting Tunsil, Maxwell, and Alonso was a pretty damn good day 1. In fact, it was the best day one....has to be.

                -Regarding the other days; trade up, trade down, trade sideways.... CB-check. Howard, good as any-he filled out all the criteria in my book. RB-check but there were some real good ones still there for the taking..but I am in and hope he stays healthy, WR, ....wait, what?! Not there in R3!. Replace Matthews, yes, but giving up 2 picks next year to get a guy coveted by only the most astute of plugged in WR specialist draftniks.......sorry not my favorite move of the draft. Spooked rookies? who knows. We can use the depth, and Stills goes FA next year, I think I read.

                -The rest; very cool we got an electric waterbug WR/KR/PR to skirt around the field...why not; I am psyched to see him play. The others were as good as any other late round picks,,
                but........................

                -No Guards. Not related at all to this thread, but I love this Quote from Garnett after being drafted ...."Like I said at the Combine, I like to run through people's souls...." Now that is who I want blocking for my team.
                -No LBs...........the modern NFL defense is built around the LBs. We have one motley group and we must get better here. We did not on Draft day. Bummer.

                -I have heard 2 comments consistently about this draft: First, Gase got the players he wanted. I hope so and maybe that is a step toward us acting as a unit for long term success. It also supposes that Gase knows what he is doing in his first HC job. Second, not to worry about the lost picks, we have compensatory picks next year.....yes I know..........I wanted both.


                Good post, Kato, and I appreciate you taking the time to write out a well thought out response.

                And yes, we did more in FA than credited for by some. The Draft is just part of the off-season. Once you account for the entire off-season moves, it's been a better roster overhaul than some realize or give credit for. It wasn't complete by any means, but it's a good start and gives Gase a ton of pieces to help implement his offensive vision.

                As for the draft, Tunsil's tumble changed the entire complexion. It's highly likely that were were taking a DE or DB in the first round, and they admitted to trying to take Jack in the 2nd. They felt forced to make a move on Howard once 5 DBs came off the board in the 1st round. Howard was their remaining guy and they went and got him. It's was obvious that they valued rounds 1, 2, and 3 and not so much the remaining rounds, though I thought they good good value in Grant, Lucas, and Duarte. All 3 had very good SPARQ ratings and at least 2 of them should make the roster.

                I saw where Grier compared Drake to Curtis Martin. Grier was with the Pats scouting dept when they took Martin, who was also oft-injured in college, but like Drake, dynamic with the ball in his hands. If Drake can be half as good as the guys he's getting compared to - Curtis Martin, Reggie Bush, etc... then we'll be eating our words about him.

                As for Guards, they are looking at Tunsil taking over LG, which means you have Billy Turner being in his 3rd season and Jamil Douglas his 2nd. They also brought in veteran OG, Kraig Urbik as a FA and they may give Dallas Thomas a shot at competing for RG as well. That's 4 guys competing for RG and we have to remember than we're no longer running the ZBS now like we did under Philbin.

                For MLBs, they did try for Myles Jack, but he wasn't worth a a 2nd and a 3rd considering his knee issues.

                I'm hoping we pick up another LB or RB after cuts, or poach someone's PS squad.

                All in all, I'm expecting us to be much better than last season and we'll need to be considering our schedule.

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                • #12
                  I don't see it as negativity I see as educated knowledge and the lack of.......Overall this draft might have worked for some and not for other's.. That's ok, If were not shooting for the playoffs and Superbowl then why go after luxury pics like WR's and tiny return men? If you're rebuilding you start with the trenches and we've had a horrible Oline is far back as I can remember,

                  We sold the farm for Suh so you better put some pieces around him and we could of landed better talent if we didn't draft like a 12-4 team that gave away picks in this draft and next years draft. They panicked and it was Sophomoric to say the least... I just wonder if Tunsil didn't drop in their laps even the optimist would be carrying a pitch fork right now... 2018 will give us the truth about how good or bad this draft really was... Hope is all we got......

                  We don't even know if we have a decent coaching staff to Coach these rookies up.. A lot of unanswered questions that no one on this forum can answer... Go Dolphins!

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                  • Bahamas
                    Bahamas commented
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                    Good point on starting in the trenches.

                • #13
                  20 years of crappy drafts, coaches, QBs, losing records will tend to do that to people. Kick your dog everyday when you get home, and pretty soon he'll piss all over himself when you walk in the door.....

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                  • HndRkyaBong34
                    HndRkyaBong34 commented
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                    Then you have the dogs that gets kicked every day but still believes this day will be different....
                    Last edited by HndRkyaBong34; 05-03-2016, 11:15 AM.

                  • cuchulainn
                    cuchulainn commented
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                    Springsteen fan?

                • #14
                  Originally posted by Tarpon Guide View Post
                  Kick your dog everyday when you get home, and pretty soon he'll piss all over himself when you walk in the door.....
                  Must've missed that episode of the Dog Whisperer, lol...

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                  • cuchulainn
                    cuchulainn commented
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                    lol... was an episode of ''Animal Cops: Houston''.

                • #15
                  Only real complaints are not drafting an OG and handing the starting RB job to unproven Jay Ajayi by drafting a perennial backup, niche RB that has to get the ball in the open field to be effective when a fulltime phenom, Kenneth Dixon, who created his own open field and was the best receiver amongst all RBs was in the draft, was there to challenge for the #1 spot and push Ajayi to 2nd string. You don't get better by handing a guy the starting spot and drafting his backup in round #3. Ajayi better light it up and Drake better hit plenty of doubles and triples along with a few home runs.

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