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That grade is just for the draft and not including Maxwell and Alonso. Wow!"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - George S. Patton
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The grade is a little high, but then we picked guys that PFF loved and had graded very well. They are only looking at the players selected, not the compensation for them.
Agree that the emotional reactions are clouding judgment a tad.
Of course, the real proof of how well a draft was is the product on the field. I remember how happy we all were after the 2013 draft before it all went to shit, so we'll see. Only Jenkins and Sims are on the roster right now from 2013. -
Maybe Grier uses PFF to help him draft and he just looks at who they like and then trades up to get them? He has been with the Dolphins a long time so he has a long history of failure so it wouldn't be too surprising.
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I will trust what they are thinking and envision.The happiness of the Dolphin is to exist.... Jacques Cousteau.Comment
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The grade is a little high, but if you do not include the picks wasted in trades and just focus on the quality of the players selected, it was a pretty much a solid draft with the exception of Drake and that we passed on so many SLBs and MLBs.
Not playing the plus minus game, I give this draft an overall grade of C.
Tunsil - A: Best overall rated player in the entire draft. Immediate starter at either LT or LG along with Branden Albert. Dallas Thomas is bumped.
Howard - B: Solid press corner who is physical and a clone of Maxwell. Joseph loves this kid FWIW.
Drake - D: Worst pick of the draft due to where we took him and that we needed a quality every down RB to rotate with Ajayi. Drake is a situational back at best.
Carroo - A: Solid all around WR who can play inside and out and who runs angry and aggressively with fantastic hands.
Grant - B: Darren Sproles-esque type player who can line up anywhere on the field and pick up YAC, He's fantastic with the ball in his hands and as a return man.
Doughty - C: Probably the best QB still on the board. Very smart, decisive, and accurate QB. He was drafted more as an act of goodwill to the hometown crowd IMO as I don't think he would have been drafted at all.
Duarte - B: I like this pick. He came out into the draft too early IMO. He pwned Su'a Cravens last year and is TE/WR hybrid. He is a very good receiver, but limited. ST player IMO and maybe a developmental guy.
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Just as Howard was a Joseph pick, Drake seems to be a Gase pick. Gase loves backs that can catch the ball out of the backfield. I know you don't like the Drake pick, but I like this kid. I worry about his injury history and would have rather seen him in the 4th or 5th, but it is what it is. Most people think he's just a outside guy, but he can run between the tackles too. He reminds me of Reggie Bush except he doesn't go down with the first hit. -
Drake doesn't have Bush's speed or moves in the open field. I really think he's the weakest of the picks we took before the 6th round. I'm more into Grant than Drake. I understand why Drake's skill-set was alluring, but Gase is going to have to manufacture touches for him and if we lost Ajayi to injury, we're fkd. Behind Ajayi, we have nothing viable and easily could have had both Drake and Dixon, or other RB. Drake will have to prove he was worth 2 draft picks. They really should have taken Carroo first, held onto their 4th, then taken either Drake or Washington, as they are very similar. That would have given them more picks and options.
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Aside from Tunsil this is one of the worst drafts i can remember the Dolphins having. Trading up when we didn't need to, trading down when we should not and reaching for players and not addressing needs. I give this draft a D- and thats only if Tunsil turns out to be as good as advertised.Comment
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I really disliked the 2013 draft. I did appreciate the bold (desperate?) move to get Jordan even though it totally blew up in our face. Thought Jenkins had potential. The rest I could have done without - though Simms has been better than I expected. I'd have given it a D+ at the time. In retrospect, that would have been generous.
I did not like the 2014 class either. I thought we totally reached for James. I thought Landry was a luxury pick, not a need (he was better than I realized obviously). I was intrigued by Aikens (though he totally sucks) and Fede (shows some promise). I'd have given it a C- most likely. Based on Landry, it probably was worth a C+ or even a B-.
For the record (and it's still too soon to really judge) I sort of liked our 2015 class. I like the Parker pick and think he could be really good. I liked McCain and really was stoked about Ajayi. Thought Ced Thompson looked interesting (totally wrong - he was laughably bad). I didn't like the Phillips pick much and thought the others were unlikely to add any value. I'd have given it a B- and the jury is still out.
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Hahahaha! that's funny.... and the Titans got a B- , that says it all..... Please....... Dolphins get a D in my book after moving around for no reason, giving players away for late rd picks and giving picks away when they didn't have too....Come on!Comment
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You didn't read how the grades were assigned. The grades were only on the players themselves, not the compensation for the picks. The Titans taking Conklin at #8 was ridiculous. You're high on them cause they drafted what you wanted. Fatboys and Henry... lol... -
Well, lets see, They drafted a true #1 QB last season, bolstered the oline with Conklin, who was worth a #8 pick IMO, bolstered up the back field with 3 badass RB's and addressed the Defense.. Two drafts and they will be in the playoffs this season.... And the Dolphins did what?????? lol
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Based on value:
Tunsil – A. Top player at a position of need. Great (lucky) pick. Just hope he has more starts than suspensions…
Howard – F. I don’t like what I saw on film. Loses the ball, loses WRs, commits penalties to make up for lack of coverage skills. I think he’s got total bust written all over him. 2 years from now we’ll trade him for a move up in the 7th (if we’re lucky).
Drake – D. Nice highlight reel. Too bad we really needed a starting RB, not a bit player who’s often hurt and good for 10 touches a game per scouts. Far better choices for Miami were on the board much later. I like the excitement factor and am clinging to a sliver of hope he'll be something he never has been (a healthy starter).
Carroo – D-. A ludicrous pick at a position we didn’t need. Worse still, we gave up 3 players for him. Like the player, but the value is horrendously bad.
Grant – F. Laughable luxury pick. 5’5 160lb returner when our D is in the state it is? I look forward to watching him – but for this team this pick feels like a joke (if I could manage a laugh at this point).
Lucas – D. Limited guy who only played part of one year at Safety then was hurt. We’ll play him at corner, even though scouts say he isn’t athletic enough for that. PS material maybe. No value.
Doughty – F. I was intrigued until I watched his film. Looks like Chad Pennington if he forgot how to read a D. Picks and lollypop lobs. Crumbles if pressured. Ridiculous wasted pick.
Duarte – F. No value at all. A tweener at 2 positions that we don’t need and who struggled with hamstring issues constantly. Totally wasted pick.
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There is a good reason PFF gave Miami a high grade. ANALYTICS...PFF is data driven. Many teams are taking an analytical approach to the game and Miami is one of them. We will see how it turns out but this is the approach they have taken and it seems to be the direction the staff and FO are on.
I don't give grades for three years because you can't honestly see the results right away. The thing I liked about this draft is it seems as if the staff and FO are FINALLY working as one unit. We will see what results are yielded but at least for now they all seem to have the same vision and are working together to get there.Comment
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What sort of grade will they give us missing picks 3-4 next year? And you know since we are missing picks 3-4 next year, the chance we trade down is 100% trying to replace those picks.
The second day draft picks better produce day 1 and big or the Fins and the new HC are heading to being fired in 2-3 years.Comment
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Interesting... it's reported that Shaq Lawson has a shoulder issue that will require surgery...
http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffal...aq_lawson.html
Ragland's medical issue with his heart will also take some watching.The biggest question surrounding Lawson was a shoulder injury that required a medical recheck. According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the shoulder will require surgery at some point, likely after the 2016 season. However, the surgery will keep him out 4-6 months whenever he chooses to have it.
It's tough to question Lawson's talent. If he can stay healthy, and the Bills find a way to utilize his athleticism, he could be an impact player.
The Bills seem unsure of how they're going to use Lawson, they just wanted to bolster their pass rush.
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Best pick: Fifth-round running back Jonathan Williams from Arkansas has second-round talent. But he missed last season with a foot injury. He has skills.
Questionable move: I know they needed pass-rush help, but I am not a big fan of first-round pick Shaq Lawson. There is a tendency to over-draft pass rushers, and this could be a case of that.
Third-day gem: Fifth-round receiver Kolby Listenbee is a burner who can amp up the passing game. He was a 100-meter runner at TCU, which tells you he can fly. He's raw, but they have to love that ability to get down the field.
Analysis: If you love Lawson and second-round linebacker Reggie Ragland, this is a good draft. If you don't, and I don't, it's just OK. That's why I rate this as an average draft.
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