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  • This would have been a much better Day 2

    R2. DB Mackenzie Alexander or OG Cody Whitehair - Both would have addressed needs. We could have even traded down for them and acquired an extra draft pick.

    R3. DE Shilque Calhoun or DB Kendall Fuller or RB CJ Procise - We would still have all of our original draft picks in rounds 4-7 and still have our 3rd and 4th round picks next year.

  • #2
    Last night I had the feeling Cam Cameron had somehow snuck into our war room. I had the same feeling of despair about our draft that year as I did last night.
    While it takes two to have an argument, it only takes one to walk away.

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    • #3
      From what I've read, the team felt that there is a lot of talent on defense that was misused under Coyles. No argument with that thought at all. They said that they did in fact try to move up for Myles Jack and a couple other defensive players, but weren't going to give the compensation required to do so, despite what they did give up. They also considered the trades for Maxwell and Alonso part of the draft.

      From their POV, we got from this draft:

      Starting corner Maxwell, starting LB Alonso, starting OLman Tunsil, Starting Corner Howard, Rotation back Drake, and WR Caroo.

      I'm still not happy about the cost of the moves to get Drake and Caroo last night and still not comfortable with not doing more on defense.

      And shocked that Ken Dixon and others are still on the board today. Weird draft for damned sure.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by cuchulainn View Post
        From what I've read, the team felt that there is a lot of talent on defense that was misused under Coyles. No argument with that thought at all. They said that they did in fact try to move up for Myles Jack and a couple other defensive players, but weren't going to give the compensation required to do so, despite what they did give up. They also considered the trades for Maxwell and Alonso part of the draft.

        From their POV, we got from this draft:

        Starting corner Maxwell, starting LB Alonso, starting OLman Tunsil, Starting Corner Howard, Rotation back Drake, and WR Caroo.

        I'm still not happy about the cost of the moves to get Drake and Caroo last night and still not comfortable with not doing more on defense.

        And shocked that Ken Dixon and others are still on the board today. Weird draft for damned sure.
        So what they are saying is they have no problem giving up multiple picks for a WR but NOT for Jack?? Brilliant.
        While it takes two to have an argument, it only takes one to walk away.

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        • cuchulainn
          cuchulainn commented
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          Again, we don't know what the compensation being demanded was and the move for Jack was at the very top of the 2nd, so it was much steeper.

      • #5
        BINGO! Unfortunately right you are D1

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        • #6
          I just don't think there was any cohesive plan for last night. It seems like we targeted a certain player in Howard and somehow felt like we needed to trade up for him when he probably still would have been available at #42 since he was a projected late 2nd or early 3rd round prospect. Lets say he was gone. Then Mackenzie Alexander was still available and was a higher rated corner than Howard. We can still sign Leon Hall after the draft.

          Then in the 3rd round again it seems like we had tunnel vision on one particular player in Drake. He was a projected 4th or 5th round prospect. There were better backs available like Procise, Dixon or Booker. Why not trade down and get back a 4th or 5th round pick since we foolishly gave our 4th away earlier in the night? We didn't even need to take a RB there since there will be quality backs taken in the 4th and 5th round of this draft. We need another DE so why not take Shilque Calhoun or if we wanted another WR so bad, Braxton Miller was available or a LB like Kyler Fackrell. Heck I might have even been tempted to take a flyer on Connor Cook. There were so many better options available to us.

          Then the worse move of them all was to give away our 6th and 3rd and 4th round picks next year for Leonte Caroo someone who was not even on my radar. Why do that? There are still good WR's on the board going into todays draft. Now I know why we were so anal about those compensatory picks next year. It was our plan all along to trade away future draft picks. It just doesn't make any sense to me but then again the Dolphins drafts never seem to make any sense.

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          • #7
            I get the feeling there was a little panic but I am not going to jump off a ledge. I think Miami got four very good football players and fit what they want to do.

            Carroo and Drake were all about Tannehill. They bolstered the O Line, got him a break away back that catches well out of the backfield and is actually a good blocking back. Then they got him the receiver that lead the nation in fewest dropped passes. Which they have done at receiver each of the last three years.

            No excuses for Tannehill going forward.

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            • Dolfan1
              Dolfan1 commented
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              Break away you mean if he can stay healthy and not break any more bones. Sounds like he didn't drink enough milk as a kid, soft bones.

          • #8
            Originally posted by ONOle1 View Post
            I get the feeling there was a little panic but I am not going to jump off a ledge. I think Miami got four very good football players and fit what they want to do.

            Carroo and Drake were all about Tannehill. They bolstered the O Line, got him a break away back that catches well out of the backfield and is actually a good blocking back. Then they got him the receiver that lead the nation in fewest dropped passes. Which they have done at receiver each of the last three years.

            No excuses for Tannehill going forward.

            Hoping for another RB and a LB today with our 3 remaining picks. Of course we may trade 2 of those picks away to get back into the 4th. lol...

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            • ONole1
              ONole1 commented
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              LOL...gotta remember as far as next year's 4th, they will get a 3rd or 4th comp pick next year too, possibly one each.

            • cuchulainn
              cuchulainn commented
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              Yeah, we already gave up a 6th this draft, and a 3rd and 4th next draft for Carroo.

              No. 86: Minnesota → Miami (D). Minnesota traded this selection to Miami in exchange for Miami's sixth-round selection (186th) and Miami's third- and fourth-round selections in 2017...
              Last edited by cuchulainn; 04-30-2016, 12:58 PM.

          • #9
            Originally posted by ONOle1 View Post
            I get the feeling there was a little panic but I am not going to jump off a ledge. I think Miami got four very good football players and fit what they want to do.

            Carroo and Drake were all about Tannehill. They bolstered the O Line, got him a break away back that catches well out of the backfield and is actually a good blocking back. Then they got him the receiver that lead the nation in fewest dropped passes. Which they have done at receiver each of the last three years.

            No excuses for Tannehill going forward.
            If I get bored enough today I will count all the players that the Dolphins signed and drafted because of Tannehill. Then, I will count all the players that were let go because if Tannehill, Then, I will count all the coaches and other personnel that have been hired and fired because if Tannehill. In all my years watching football I have NEVER seen an organization make so many moves to accommodate ONE PLAYER, especially an average player like Tanbehill. If he doesn't turn the corner this season and they continue to handle the team in this fashion I will be done with the Dolphins and start watching hockey or something. Take an underwater basket weaving class. Anything but watching a team make all their football decisions because of a mediocre player.

            I thought the Fiedler years were bad. Man, Tannehill makes those years look like the early 70's.

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            • #10
              I'm really glad that i checked out early last night, assumed our night was over & shut it down a little after the Drake pick was made..There i go assuming again, you'd think i'd learn..but somehow just like the Fins, i never seem to...

              I imagine if i had continued watching and was subjected to what we gave up to move up and grab a WR (a WIDE RECEIVER???) i'd pretty much never heard of, i would've lost my mind!!!

              Luckily, i ddin't know any of this had transpired and only found out first thing this morning when i logged on, so the only thing i lost was a bit of my morning coffee (I'm pretty sure the keyboard & monitor screen will come clean)

              On the surface this seems like a pretty bad draft, some feel 'epic'proportion' bad...Me??, not so sure..Don't get me wrong, i personally didn't like that we gave up a 4th to move up & grab Howard, but i have to admit that i was saying we'd probably have to move up or risk losing out on a quality Corner (Howard wasn't my choice, but that's beside the point) I, like Grier & the Fins, strongly felt there was gonna be a serious run on Corner's and we were gonna be left without one if we stood by and watched - The fact that the run never materialized is a moot point because that's just hindsight being 20-20 thinking, we all know how often we sat there while all the good players went one by one right before our eyes...

              Like Nole just posted, i include the trade as part of our draft so that has to be factored in..A lot of people are complaining about the Drake pick, saying there were better RB's available, this may very well be true, but it's subjective and just a matter of personal opinion..And while i worry about his injury history i personally love Kenyan Drake with his homerun ability every time he touches the ball, IMO he fits what Gase wants in a back to a T, as he's a really good receiver out of the backfield...

              That being said, try as i might i can't quite wrap my head around the Caroo (?) pick & what we gave up to do it, especially at a position that was at least currently, fairly solid...I hate like hell that we're giving away next years picks when it seemed the whole off-season purpose was to accumulate more picks for next years draft..He better be the next coming of Anquan Boldin & Marvin Harrison as he proclaims!!

              Lastly, i will add that one thing i'm really liking is that both Grier and Gase are stressing the need to add Alpha males like these guys; guys with strong personalities and the ability to lead..God knows it's been a long, long time since we've had a multitude of guys like that take the field for us!

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              • #11
                Originally posted by cuchulainn View Post


                Hoping for another RB and a LB today with our 3 remaining picks. Of course we may trade 2 of those picks away to get back into the 4th. lol...

                There are still several ILB's out there. I have a man crush on Wright, but Miami supposedly likes BJ Goodsen a lot. There is also Matakevich (who is the closest thing I have seen to Zach Thomas), Brothers, and Martinez. I also like Josh Forrest as a developmental LB. I think he can play inside and out and could make the team as a special teams player but has a lot of upside, just raw. Came to UK as a WR.

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                • Dolfan1
                  Dolfan1 commented
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                  Scooby Do Be Do

              • #12
                Yes we should take a LB with our 5th round pick. Wright or Martinez would make the most sense but then again this is the Dolphins we are talking about so we will probably take a punter.

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