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    I heard they are looking to get back into the top 10 so trading up to #13 with us would make that a little easier to do. By trading down to the #15 pick we would swap 2nd round picks. We would move up to #33 and they would get our #42 pick. The trade works our perfectly since there is a 100 point difference between the #13 and #15 picks and also the #33 and #42 picks. I think there is a good chance of getting a better combination of players with the #15 and #33 picks. We could also trade up into the first round if a player we like slips some.

    #15 DB Eli Apple - #33 DE Emmanuel Ogbah

    OR

    #15 DE Shaq Lawson - #33 DB Artie Burns

  • #2
    We are kinda in no mans land. If Titans want Stanley and the big If sStanley gets past Ravens then Titans would have to be in front of Giants. If not Conklin will be there at 15. I don't think they bite. It would be nice though.
    The deeper the roots, the higher the reach.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Aquaaiea View Post
      We are kinda in no mans land. If Titans want Stanley and the big If sStanley gets past Ravens then Titans would have to be in front of Giants. If not Conklin will be there at 15. I don't think they bite. It would be nice though.
      Isn't that always how it goes with the Dolphins, that we are in no mans land. Thats why trading down a couple spots in exchange for a much higher 2nd round pick makes sense. The Titians can then make another trade with another team to get into the top 10 from the 13th spot.

      I think either Eli Apple or Shaq Lawson would still be available at #15. Then we can get a better player in the 2nd round with a much higher pick.

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      • #4
        I think a trade like this would only happen if someone the Titans coveted fell to the #11, #12 position and they felt the Dolphins wouldn't want that player but another team ahead of them might. Who would that player be? I like the idea of drafting Lawson and Burns with our current draft position so trading back and still landing these players would be great. Henry might even be there in the second round when the Dolphins are on the clock with the Titans old pick.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DolphinsFreak View Post
          I think a trade like this would only happen if someone the Titans coveted fell to the #11, #12 position and they felt the Dolphins wouldn't want that player but another team ahead of them might. Who would that player be? I like the idea of drafting Lawson and Burns with our current draft position so trading back and still landing these players would be great. Henry might even be there in the second round when the Dolphins are on the clock with the Titans old pick.
          I think Ronnie Stanley would be the player they would be willing to trade up for. I think the Giants would probably take him at #10 if Elliott is already off the board. The problem with them trading up with us is that they still have to make another trade up to get the player they want so why bother making the trade up with us. Of course trading up with us to #13 makes it a little easier to trade up into the top 10. Also this would be a trade we have to make before the draft not knowing what players might slip to us at #13 which is a huge gamble. What if Hargreaves or Elliott would have fallen to us at #13 and the Raiders snatch him up at #14 then we would be kicking ourselves. Sort of like the big mistake JJ made back in the 98 draft when he traded down with the Packers before the draft and we could have drafted Randy Moss if we didn't trade down instead we ended up with John Avery.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by FTLDOLFAN View Post
            I heard they are looking to get back into the top 10 so trading up to #13 with us would make that a little easier to do. By trading down to the #15 pick we would swap 2nd round picks. We would move up to #33 and they would get our #42 pick. The trade works our perfectly since there is a 100 point difference between the #13 and #15 picks and also the #33 and #42 picks. I think there is a good chance of getting a better combination of players with the #15 and #33 picks. We could also trade up into the first round if a player we like slips some.

            #15 DB Eli Apple - #33 DE Emmanuel Ogbah

            OR

            #15 DE Shaq Lawson - #33 DB Artie Burns

            While I see CB as the greater need, I think Shaq Lawson is the superior prospect to Eli Apple. If I'm going BPA between these two, then Lawson it is. He has the ability to take over games and can play against the run and the pass. Also, with Wake and Williams aging and Wake having more problems staying healthy each season, Lawson or NKemdiche would make a lot of sense.

            Fuller, Burns, or Howard, are all solid 2nd round picks at CB. If not, Cyrus Jones would be a solid late 2nd or high 3rd round pick at CB.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by cuchulainn View Post


              While I see CB as the greater need, I think Shaq Lawson is the superior prospect to Eli Apple. If I'm going BPA between these two, then Lawson it is. He has the ability to take over games and can play against the run and the pass. Also, with Wake and Williams aging and Wake having more problems staying healthy each season, Lawson or NKemdiche would make a lot of sense.

              Fuller, Burns, or Howard, are all solid 2nd round picks at CB. If not, Cyrus Jones would be a solid late 2nd or high 3rd round pick at CB.
              I agree that Lawson is the superior prospect to Apple. I think we could trade down a little and still get him. If we could get Burns or Fuller in the 2nd round that would be great boost to our defense.

              Then address OG LB and RB in the next 3 rounds.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by FTLDOLFAN View Post

                I agree that Lawson is the superior prospect to Apple. I think we could trade down a little and still get him. If we could get Burns or Fuller in the 2nd round that would be great boost to our defense.

                Then address OG LB and RB in the next 3 rounds.

                I'm very wary of trading down again. I can't see either Lawson or NKemdiche falling out of the Top 15 and I do not want to repeat the draft mistakes of the past. I could see trying to drop down in the event that a guy we were targeting wasn't there, but it has to still net us solid quality starters in the Top 2 rounds. I don't want depth players as a first or second rounder.

                Agree on OG, LB, and RB in the mid rounds. I'd put those in order of OL, RB, and LB, but again go with BPA - talent trumps all.

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                • #9
                  I am with Cuch...as much as I know a CB is more of a pressing need I expect them to sign Leon Hall. I really like Lawson and think he can and has been dominant. Two things I look at right now that would not shock me one bit.

                  1. Came Wake is traded during the draft. Tannebaum likes to trade and like him or not he has had some success with it. I like Cam a lot, but a 34 year old situation pass rusher coming off and Achilles rupture making $9m...you do the math...

                  2. I don't think Miami will pick at #13. They could trade up or down but don't think they sit at #13. I almost wouldn't be shocked if they traded up to get Ezekiel Elliot. I like Elliot, and have not been big on drafting RB's in round one but the more I watch him and listen to Gil Brandt the more I think Elliot is going to be a special back. I actually think he could be the best thing for Tannehill and make Miami a power running game with he and AJ.

                  I could also see him moving back as I am not sure there is a player (outside of Lawson) that I don't think they could get a very similar player with a later pick.

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                  • Idahomer
                    Idahomer commented
                    Editing a comment
                    Saw a tweet on FB that Myles Jack is the #1 player on Miami's board and experts would not be shocked to see Tannenbum go get him. If they really wanted Jack they should have stayed at #8. Moving up now would cost them their 2nd round pick and I suspect they'd have to get ahead of Dallas to get him.

                  • ONole1
                    ONole1 commented
                    Editing a comment
                    I could see that as well. Tannebaum has a history of making a big splash in draft trades and Ross seems to push that as well. Not sure if everyone read Mando's article, but could be good or bad, but very exciting...

                  • cuchulainn
                    cuchulainn commented
                    Editing a comment
                    Miles Jack is the ONLY player in this draft worth moving up for. That said, I'm apprehensive at the cost.

                • #10
                  I know the values even out according to Jimmy Johnson's draft calculator but Tennessee would have to be awfully paranoid that they were going to lose their guy to two teams. If we could Patriot a spy into the Titans' front office and find out who they want we might be able to scare them into it. A lot has to do with who we want, how bad we want him and how worried we might be of a team jumping into the #14 spot to steal him away. Moving up in round 2 would be amazing. We might even be able to trade back with that pick and add another valuable selection. A zillion ways we could go in this draft (and still get it right). It keeps our heads spinning.

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by ONOle1 View Post
                    I am with Cuch...as much as I know a CB is more of a pressing need I expect them to sign Leon Hall. I really like Lawson and think he can and has been dominant. Two things I look at right now that would not shock me one bit.

                    1. Came Wake is traded during the draft. Tannebaum likes to trade and like him or not he has had some success with it. I like Cam a lot, but a 34 year old situation pass rusher coming off and Achilles rupture making $9m...you do the math...

                    2. I don't think Miami will pick at #13. They could trade up or down but don't think they sit at #13. I almost wouldn't be shocked if they traded up to get Ezekiel Elliot. I like Elliot, and have not been big on drafting RB's in round one but the more I watch him and listen to Gil Brandt the more I think Elliot is going to be a special back. I actually think he could be the best thing for Tannehill and make Miami a power running game with he and AJ.

                    I could also see him moving back as I am not sure there is a player (outside of Lawson) that I don't think they could get a very similar player with a later pick.

                    Trading Wake would rile the fan base like nothing else. That said, he's been injured and missed part of the past 3 seasons. 2014, was the knee. Last season, it was the Achilles Tendon being torn.. We've no idea how he'll be now and he was never very good against the run. At this stage, he's a situational pass rusher at best.

                    As for Zeke, I'm of the opposite opinion. I don't see a special back at all... Not that he's not a good back, but that's it, to me, he's ''merely good''. I don't see anything ''special''. Todd Gurley was special coming out. Gordon was productive. I see Elliott as better than Gordon, but not nearly as good as Gurley.

                    Compare him to Todd Gurley. He doesn't have Gurley's same explosive burst, nor Gurley's ability to instantly hit that top gear, and he certainly won't run your ass over like Gurley would.

                    Elliott seems to either get tackled at the LOS, or he is clean all the way to the 2nd level where he has built up the speed to run away from defenders. That speed and versatility makes him the #1 back in this draft, but that ain't saying much.

                    IMO, he benefited playing in that system. He looks like a versatile, but average to slightly above average athlete playing RB. I see him as a low 20's/high 30's guy. I don't see him doing much with us at all if our OL can't keep him clean, and he's not going to be able to outflank defenders running East or West.

                    I'm not a fan of Derrick Henry in the 2nd either. Henry, is a slow get off guy, who has to build up his speed going downhill. Make him do anything other than run downhill and his tape is littered with him getting leg tackled.

                    Lots of backs this draft, just none that excite me. I'd like to take a couple in the mid rounds and if Keith Marshall is there, I take him in a heart beat in the 4th or 5th rounds. He was starting ahead of Gurley before he blew his knee up. He's still fast as Hell and looks like a clone of Miller to me.

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