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    I've been saying all along that Ryan Tannehill needs a full course of Quarterbacking 101. Finally we have someone that realizes as much. Adam Gase said Tannehill's first step is to improve his pocket presence and his ability to get comfortable in it. Just forcing him to throw quicker was not the answer. I'd say step two is to teach him that the two orange sticks on the sideline connected by a chain demarcate the first down line and teach him how to get the ball past it, especially on 3rd down. I'll stand by my opinion that RT has a nine win ceiling in the NFL until I see him truly begin to display the basic fundamentals in the pocket that will allow all other parts of his game to develop. I, personally, would increase the number of longer developing plays in camp and the preseason to force him to hone all the new skills he MUST master.

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    I'm not sure you can teach someone pocket presence, IMO it's pretty much a 'you got it or you don't' type of thing...I remember when Tim Couch came out highly touted; he had the worst pocket presence i've ever seen..I mean he had zero instinct in the pocket, no idea how long he could hold the ball, didn't know what it meant to step up into the pocket or take a step to either side to avoid pressure..Tannehill isn't Tim Couch bad,, but IMO he's not that far behind....

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    • #3
      He just bought a $4.3M dollar home in Marino's neighborhood, so that would indicate that either he and Lauren are about to start a family, or he feels he's going to be here a while.

      You want from Tannehill, upgrade LG this season. Dallas Thomas is atrocious. The below gif is a perfect example of 3 things - Dallas Thomas sucks. The ''pocket'' rarely exists, and ''deep'' completions require chorography from the OL, QB, and the receiver. Dion Sims sucked last season. Here the ball went out of his hands.




      Yeah... what pocket? Dallas Thomas was blown up and back into him as he was delivering the throw. Sims should've caught it and scored a TD instead of staring at his hands once he lost it.


      Anyway, hoping to see more of the below this season with Parker being completely healthy and hopefully a better OL and pass protection schemes.





      Here is nice read... http://presnapreads.com/2016/03/24/t...yan-tannehill/

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Driven_Phinsane! View Post
        I'm not sure you can teach someone pocket presence, IMO it's pretty much a 'you got it or you don't' type of thing...I remember when Tim Couch came out highly touted; he had the worst pocket presence i've ever seen..I mean he had zero instinct in the pocket, no idea how long he could hold the ball, didn't know what it meant to step up into the pocket or take a step to either side to avoid pressure..Tannehill isn't Tim Couch bad,, but IMO he's not that far behind....
        I completely agree. I do NOT think you can teach certain things involving the quarterback position. Among all the positions in football the quarterback position is the one where I think you pretty much have to be born with a gift, then expand on that gift. Tannehill was born with gifts, but those gifts don't involve being a quarterback at a high level. He just lacks so many things and in his 5th year in the NFL he should be on his way to greatness, not trying to learn fundamentals that he should have been learning in high school. You can't summarize any player with two gifs. AHA Tannehill does need better protection but even with better protection his ceiling is very low and he will NEVER take any team to the playoffs. He is what he is, a mediocre quarterback who should be a backup for some other team, but is currently the Miami Dolphins starting quarterback. Philbin had it correct, they should have drafted Carr. Hopefully Gase will figure this out sooner rather than later and Project Tannehill will be over after this season and MOST of us Dolphins fans can breathe a sigh of relief once they part ways with his guy and move forward with the next quarterback. Just For The Record - Many players from other teams have houses in the Miami area.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DolphinsFreak View Post

          I completely agree. I do NOT think you can teach certain things involving the quarterback position. Among all the positions in football the quarterback position is the one where I think you pretty much have to be born with a gift, then expand on that gift. Tannehill was born with gifts, but those gifts don't involve being a quarterback at a high level. He just lacks so many things and in his 5th year in the NFL he should be on his way to greatness, not trying to learn fundamentals that he should have been learning in high school. You can't summarize any player with two gifs. AHA Tannehill does need better protection but even with better protection his ceiling is very low and he will NEVER take any team to the playoffs. He is what he is, a mediocre quarterback who should be a backup for some other team, but is currently the Miami Dolphins starting quarterback. Philbin had it correct, they should have drafted Carr. Hopefully Gase will figure this out sooner rather than later and Project Tannehill will be over after this season and MOST of us Dolphins fans can breathe a sigh of relief once they part ways with his guy and move forward with the next quarterback. Just For The Record - Many players from other teams have houses in the Miami area.


          Summarizing a player with 2 gifs? Hardly. The first was an example of the typical pocket he has to deal with along with a problematic LG and the 2nd showed that we do have the capability to be explosive when everyone does their job.

          Winning records and playoff games are team stats, not individual stats. Hopefully Gase can fix the team and get us there. Tannehill still has things he needs to improve upon, but he's hardly been the worst problem he's often portrayed as.

          And off course many players own homes in SoFL, but up until this point, the Tannehill's have rented a condo... odd that they would suddenly buy a $4.3M home if they felt they were on shaky ground with the team or coaching staff. Tannehill would have to literally have to fall apart before the team dumped him. We do need quality competition, but he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by cuchulainn View Post



            Summarizing a player with 2 gifs? Hardly. The first was an example of the typical pocket he has to deal with along with a problematic LG and the 2nd showed that we do have the capability to be explosive when everyone does their job.

            Winning records and playoff games are team stats, not individual stats. Hopefully Gase can fix the team and get us there. Tannehill still has things he needs to improve upon, but he's hardly been the worst problem he's often portrayed as.

            And off course many players own homes in SoFL, but up until this point, the Tannehill's have rented a condo... odd that they would suddenly buy a $4.3M home if they felt they were on shaky ground with the team or coaching staff. Tannehill would have to literally have to fall apart before the team dumped him. We do need quality competition, but he's not going anywhere anytime soon.
            You can defend him until your blue in the face or until he plays his last game in a Dolphins uniform, which will be this December. Either way it doesn't bother or effect me and my opinion on the POS. He sucks. With a good line, a good pocket, he still won't be anything more then Chad Henne 2.0. He will be holding a clipboard in his near future. I was hoping for a trade to the Briens was in his future m, because he would have a chance to start with a team as bad as the Browns. They have the only fans that have it worse then Dolphins fans.

            I could care less about Tannehill's living situation. That has no effect on his status with the Dolphins. One thing he has proven since coming to Miami is that he is FAR from being the best at making decisions. AHAHA Yeah, don't buy a house, Ryan, until you are in your final year of being a burden on the teams cap space so they can dump you after you have been in your home for 8 months. Great idea!

            Tannehill may not be the worst problem the Miami Dolphins have, because even if they had a REAL quarterback they would still have to get better offensive line play. But, Tannehill is a BIG problem for the team and he will prevent them from being a legitimate playoff contender the longer Ross and this front office backs the wrong horse. This situation is reminding me so much of the Fiedler days when the coaching staff and/or front office kept backing the wrong QB, setting the franchise back YEARS as they passed up on Brees and others because they were inept. I see much of that in Ross and the other coaches who THINK this idiot is the answer.

            2016 is a stress free season for many Dolphin Fans because we know this is Tannehill's final year. The front office hasn't done anything to improve this team enough and is obviously setting its sites for the 2017 season. I can't wait for THAT season when they have a new Quarterback and a better supporting cast.
            Last edited by DolphinsFreak; 03-27-2016, 12:47 AM.

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            • cuchulainn
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              Lol... ok. Didn't realize you were gonna spin into a tangent. Enjoy.

            • DolphinsFreak
              DolphinsFreak commented
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              You should know me better then that by now. :-)

              I am a Strong/Firm believer that Tannehill is the new Fiedler. The Miami Dolphins are the Titanic and Tannehill is the iceberg.

          • #7
            I think you guys are forgetting the newcomer who specializes in whispering to QBs. Let him work his magic! If Gase can't save him then lets dump him after next year. Real estate in Florida only goes up.
            The deeper the roots, the higher the reach.

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              I think you guys are forgetting the newcomer who specializes in whispering to QBs.


              What's he gonna be whispering?......"you're not cut out to be an nfl qb..you suck...go away......"




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              • AquaXI
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                Hehehe! I have a feeling there's gonna be much whispering.

            • #9
              Still not sure how Everyone says we haven't had real coaches the last few years around Tannehill, Philbin, Sherman, Lazor, Taylor and then say he's not a good QB? Give him a chance to not play handcuffed and using his strengths.i know this, his ceiling is at least the same level is the same as Flacco, Wilson Carr, Dalton and maybe Luck who's been overrated apparently . Give Tannehill Seattles or Bengals defense , he would be in the playoffs also ( not to mention in Pat's division) I will wait for this year to play out

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              • #10
                Originally posted by 39Zonk View Post
                Still not sure how Everyone says we haven't had real coaches the last few years around Tannehill, Philbin, Sherman, Lazor, Taylor and then say he's not a good QB? Give him a chance to not play handcuffed and using his strengths.i know this, his ceiling is at least the same level is the same as Flacco, Wilson Carr, Dalton and maybe Luck who's been overrated apparently . Give Tannehill Seattles or Bengals defense , he would be in the playoffs also ( not to mention in Pat's division) I will wait for this year to play out
                Poor coaching and whether a QB has presence in the pocket have nothing to do with one another..As i've stated IMO it's something that QB's either have or they don't (Marino was one of the best i've ever seen within the pocket, Big Ben Rapistberger, whom i can't stand, is amazing in the pocket, just two examples) you might be able to tweak it a bit to improve it alittle, but it's not something you expect to coach into someone who is going to be a 5 year NFL vet, i mean those training wheels should've come off years ago...

                Tannehill has some talent, to me that's undeniable, but what i also find undeniable is that for every failure there will just be new excuses made for him...

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                • #11
                  But your making it sound like he's done nothing, 25 rds and 4000 yards with a craopy line, mediocre defense and top of the league being sacked.....I agree it's time but year 5 is not too late.......Steve young?

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                  • #12
                    Originally posted by Driven_Phinsane! View Post

                    Poor coaching and whether a QB has presence in the pocket have nothing to do with one another..As i've stated IMO it's something that QB's either have or they don't (Marino was one of the best i've ever seen within the pocket, Big Ben Rapistberger, whom i can't stand, is amazing in the pocket, just two examples) you might be able to tweak it a bit to improve it alittle, but it's not something you expect to coach into someone who is going to be a 5 year NFL vet, i mean those training wheels should've come off years ago...

                    Tannehill has some talent, to me that's undeniable, but what i also find undeniable is that for every failure there will just be new excuses made for him...

                    ''He had a bad game'' is an excuse. So is ''he got hit by a truck''. Both are excuses... but clearly not the same thing. We've seen him take a beating for 4 seasons and play injured and pissing blood, yet still play well enough to win games. IMO, you can't just say ''regardless of circumstances'' and have everyone fall in line with that thinking and say "Okay, Tannehill won't lead this team anywhere''. The reason being that the entire team has sucked to the point that none of us know for sure.

                    I'd be a lot more critical of him if he was a poor performer on a good team. That's not the case IMO. He's been an above average, yet inconsistent, performer on a bad team with terrible pass protection. Dumping Jason Fox was a good move. Wished we'd dumped Dallas Thomas and traded Mike Pouncey also, but that's just me...

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                    • #13
                      Originally posted by 39Zonk View Post
                      But your making it sound like he's done nothing, 25 rds and 4000 yards with a craopy line, mediocre defense and top of the league being sacked.....I agree it's time but year 5 is not too late.......Steve young?
                      I've NEVER said Tannehill has done nothing, i was just arguing the point that in my eyes he has shown little to zero pocket presence and to me that can't be coached up, JMO...

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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by cuchulainn View Post


                        ''He had a bad game'' is an excuse. So is ''he got hit by a truck''. Both are excuses... but clearly not the same thing. We've seen him take a beating for 4 seasons and play injured and pissing blood, yet still play well enough to win games. IMO, you can't just say ''regardless of circumstances'' and have everyone fall in line with that thinking and say "Okay, Tannehill won't lead this team anywhere''. The reason being that the entire team has sucked to the point that none of us know for sure.

                        I'd be a lot more critical of him if he was a poor performer on a good team. That's not the case IMO. He's been an above average, yet inconsistent, performer on a bad team with terrible pass protection. Dumping Jason Fox was a good move. Wished we'd dumped Dallas Thomas and traded Mike Pouncey also, but that's just me...
                        IDK cuch, you & i just disagree on this subject..Believe me when i say that you're as close as you can get to the eternal optimist while though i consider myself a realist, i know i'm full-blown pessimist when it comes to the Fins...To me Tannehill supporter's will always find excuses for his shortcomings because they want so badly to believe that we finally found our post-Marino Holy Grail..I just don't see it, because even if you take into consideration the piss-poor line play, receivers dropping passes & shitty coaching, he still has never shown to me anyway that he has the IT factor, even with all of those things working against him i think we would've seen it by now..YAMMAWVIS - Your actual mileage may and will vary i'm sure ;-)

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                        • #15
                          Originally posted by 39Zonk View Post
                          Still not sure how Everyone says we haven't had real coaches the last few years around Tannehill, Philbin, Sherman, Lazor, Taylor and then say he's not a good QB? Give him a chance to not play handcuffed and using his strengths.i know this, his ceiling is at least the same level is the same as Flacco, Wilson Carr, Dalton and maybe Luck who's been overrated apparently . Give Tannehill Seattles or Bengals defense , he would be in the playoffs also ( not to mention in Pat's division) I will wait for this year to play out
                          I don't agree with what you wrote at all. The only QB on that list that makes a little bit of sense is Falcco but even that is a stretch. Luck isn't overrated. Wait until that team finally surrounds him with talent. Colts fans have something to look forward to if that happens, unlike Dolphins fans. Even if Tannehill is surrounded with a great offensive line he isn't all of a sudden going to be able to read defenses, he isn't all of a sudden going to have pocket awareness, he isn't all of a sudden going to be able to throw the deep ball better, he isn't all of a sudden going to STOP throwing to COVERED receivers on 3rd down well short of the sticks. He just isn't supposed to play quarterback. He's anomaly. I have no idea how he has fooled so many people for so long to actually be able to play the quarterback position in the NFL.

                          Coaching? C'mon, man. Nobody can convince me that TWO completely different Offensive Coordinators, who come out of TWO completely different football eras end up running the exact same offense is a coincidence. They were FORCED to run these jokes of an offense because of Tannehill's WEAKNESSES. It's much easier for Tannehill fans to blame to OC's rather then to actually blame the QB who is responsible for the Dink And Dunk offense that is going nowhere the focus should be on the reason why the Offensive Coordinators (PLURAL) were FORCED to run such a generic offense that could cost them their jobs. (And it did) Ryan Tannehill is to blame for those OC"s being handcuffed in their playcalling. When you are forced to play a QB with such limited abilities, your playbook shrinks to nothing. In SHerman's case, he is to blame because he is probably the reason why Tannehill is a Dolphin. But, his playcalling was limited because he was wrong about Tannehill, he wasn't ready to play in the NFL and never will be, as a winning quarterback at least.

                          29 Wins - 35 Losses...................Many of these games could have been won with a better quarterback who can make all the throws asked of an NFL quarterback. Many of these games could have been won with a quarterback who can actually read defenses. The TWO offensive coordinators handcuffed Tannehill for a reason, he needed to be because he is just not a true quarterback.

                          Tanneill's ceiling is slightly above Chad Henne's ceiling. Holding a clipboard is in his future.

                          Blaming everyone and everything under the sun OTHER THAN the person responsible is just living in denial.

                          GO DOLPHINS..................IN 2017 WITH YOUR NEW QUARTERBACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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