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    They might want to trade up for one of the top QB prospects. Its unlikely that either Goff Wentz or Lynch will be available to them. So would you trade down with them to #22 in exchange for the #52 pick in the 2016 draft and their 3rd round pick in the 2017 draft?

    R1. #22 - DE Noah Spence - If we resign OV we should have a formidable pass rush. Spence looks like he could be a young Cam Wake.

    R2. #42 - DB Kendall Fuller - I would release Grimes and look to sign Trumaine Johnson. Johnson and Fuller should be a very good DB tandem.

    R2. #52 - LB Kentrell Brothers - We improve our run defense with a tackling machine.

    R3. LB Deion Jones - We really need to add an athletic LB and he shined at the Senior Bowl.

    R4. DT Hassan Ridgeway - If we release Mitchell we will need to add some DT depth. We also need to become more stout against the run.

    R5. QB Dak Prescott - We need to draft a QB and I am starting to have a good feeling about him.

    R6. WR Jordan Payton - If Matthews leaves and we release Jennings we will need to add another WR.

    R7. S Jordan Simone - Some competition and potential depth for our secondary.

    R7. DE Silverberry Mouhon - Some D-line depth.

    This is what I would do in free agency.

    OG Kelechi Osemele

    DB Trumaine Johnson

    FS Tashaun Gipson

    DE Olivier Vernon

    RB Lamar Miller

  • #2
    Dropping down that low I would ask for this years 3rd but yeah I would take Spence in that slot or if Ragland falls to 22.
    The deeper the roots, the higher the reach.

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    • #3
      Damn... that would be a hellova an off-season... especially if Fuller is fully recovered.

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      • IMAWriter
        IMAWriter commented
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        FTL: Going from 8th to 22nd would only engender a mid 2nd rounder and a 2017 3rd rounder? Did you use the Jimmy Johnson value "formula." I could see trading down from 14 maybe, but at #8 you should get a VERY VERY good player, if a guard or tackle, LB, they'll ost likely be a starter. At #22, all the LB's will be gone. Ragland, at #8 would be a sure starterTrading down is not my idea of being aggressive. The Dolphins need a lot of parts, but getting two "2nd hand parts" with the 52nd and a 3rd rounder when you can get a starter at #8, and another starter in the 2nd round...as long as Jeff Ireland isn't making the selection. This is a 3 year process, and it's IMPERATIVE that the Dolphins get legitimate starting quality players when you're this high up.

        Neither of those 2 QBs are worth moving up for. Besides, didn't the Dolphins just hire a "QB Guru?" Why then, if you're going to draft a QB in the first round? Makes ZERO sense to me.
        Last edited by IMAWriter; 02-06-2016, 06:47 PM. Reason: typo. The site is acting funky in Firefox

      • cuchulainn
        cuchulainn commented
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        IMA - You're overlooking what he did in Free agency. THAT is what makes the move work. He picked up a starting OG, Starting CB, and starting FS to pair with Jones. Brothers is a very good LB and will pair with Jenkins and Hewitt...

        As for Ragland, he isn't worth the #8 IMO. CJ Mosley was better and drafted much later. Noah Spence has Top 10 talent. Trading down and getting him at #22 is a solid pick IMO.

        YMMV.

    • #4
      I want a play maker to somewhat compensate for our dismal 6-10 season. Chances are much better at #8 than #22. I rest my case.

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      • #5
        This is what I would do in free agency.

        OG Kelechi Osemele

        DB Trumaine Johnson

        FS Tashaun Gipson

        DE Olivier Vernon

        RB Lamar Miller

        You had me with Free Agency. It would hard to go wrong after these moves, which means they won't happen.

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        • #6
          NO NO NO NO....and NO

          Miami is in a spot to get an elite talent, and they need it. Stay where they are and get an immediate impact player. If they want to fart around with later picks ok, but make this pick and take a player who steps in and makes an impact right away.

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          • IMAWriter
            IMAWriter commented
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            I'd like your post 3 times if I could. Trading down is folly this year, especially. Get a Starter. The Top 8-10 appear to be...other than Goff, IMO. Those seriously mentioning the ND QB need to remember what conference he played in. I don't recall our other player from that conference doing so well.

        • #7
          Originally posted by ONOle1 View Post
          NO NO NO NO....and NO

          Miami is in a spot to get an elite talent, and they need it. Stay where they are and get an immediate impact player. If they want to fart around with later picks ok, but make this pick and take a player who steps in and makes an impact right away.
          The draft is always a gamble. We could stay put and draft Jaylon Smith but then his injury could be an issue going forward. We could trade down and take Noah Spence and he could be the defensive rookie of the year.

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          • #8
            Stay at eight and take the guy you want, no matter where he ranks. I am not a fan of trading a high draft pick.

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            • #9
              I ;m all in on defense, so @ #8 you grab the best LB/ILB... But we can't move the chains, so we need to build a power Run game that other teams will fear... Henry in the 2nd.... Henry, Miller and Ajayi will take this offense and take all the pressure off of RT. It opens up the field for the WR's and TE's... Am I the only one that see's this??? Get all the defenders and fat boy's you want, if your offense is one dimensional, Hence, dink and dunk under 15 yards, you will never get to the playoffs.... Remember, we don't have Marino anymore and RT needs help, he can't carry a team and he can't throw down field in tight spaces... We need to move the chains on the ground....... it's the only way and Miller is no AP or Lynch... No way! He's a scat back at best.... Bring in a Smash mouth power run game and we will see positive results.... Two fold....

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              • #10
                Originally posted by HndRkyaBong34 View Post
                I ;m all in on defense, so @ #8 you grab the best LB/ILB... But we can't move the chains, so we need to build a power Run game that other teams will fear... Henry in the 2nd.... Henry, Miller and Ajayi will take this offense and take all the pressure off of RT. It opens up the field for the WR's and TE's... Am I the only one that see's this??? Get all the defenders and fat boy's you want, if your offense is one dimensional, Hence, dink and dunk under 15 yards, you will never get to the playoffs.... Remember, we don't have Marino anymore and RT needs help, he can't carry a team and he can't throw down field in tight spaces... We need to move the chains on the ground....... it's the only way and Miller is no AP or Lynch... No way! He's a scat back at best.... Bring in a Smash mouth power run game and we will see positive results.... Two fold....
                I am not opposed to drafting Henry in the 2nd round if he is available. Of course that would also mean that we didn't resign Miller in free agency. We aren't going to resign Miller and draft Henry in the 2nd round. That would be too much invested in the RB position. I agree that a power running game and a strong defense might be the best way for us to succeed especially since Tannehill is not an elite QB and even elite QB's need a running game and a good defense.

                The problem is that we just have so many needs. We need help on the o-line, DE DB FS and LB.

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                • #11
                  Originally posted by FTLDOLFAN View Post

                  The draft is always a gamble. We could stay put and draft Jaylon Smith but then his injury could be an issue going forward. We could trade down and take Noah Spence and he could be the defensive rookie of the year.

                  I wouldn't draft Smith at #8. He may end up being a great NFL player, but I am not drafting a guy in the top 10 coming off season ending knee injury, especially late in the season. Personally I am looking at Ramsey (pipe dream, I know), Hargreaves, Lawson, Buckner, Raglan, or Spence. Everyone of those 6 players are plug and play day one starters. No need to get cute, they fill a need and are among the top talent in this draft.

                  I understand it's a crap shoot, but still the same crap shoot no matter where you draft and how many picks. Stay put in round one draft a starter and start thinking about day two...

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                  • #12
                    Chuchu, point well taken regarding Denver's FA pickups. But it would be good to remember that Elway has a MUCH better handle..as well as a brain... on FAs than does the Fin's FO. Landry has been better than ANY FA pickup the Dolphins have acquired (IMO)...including Suh..in the last 10 years. Cam Wake is a different circumstance, add in Pennington, the ONLY other thing Fatty Parcells got right. Subtract Pat White and Parcells cutting Junior Glymph (Kidding on the latter)...and hiring Sparano and Ireland tip the scales far into the negative on Parcells. Sorry, I'm still bummed about the damage Parcells-Ireland cost our beloved Davie Dolphins.

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                    • cuchulainn
                      cuchulainn commented
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                      Parcells was hired by Wayne and our last success season came under Parcells/Ireland/Sparano. He bailed after meeting Steven Ross and deciding he didn't want to work directly for him.

                      Landry was drafted. He wasn't a FA... Suh remains on a HOF track. Too early to say any other Dolphin will be. A lot of Ireland's picks are still playing very well elsewhere if you look around the league. You also have to remember that Ireland wanted to hire Mike McCoy. Ross' committee of Carl Peterson, Mangini, and himself decided on Philbin - who promptly started jettisoning talent that still plays at a high level for other teams.

                      IMO Sparano would still be here if he had had a QB as competent as Tannehill instead of Henne and Moore. We had a Top 5 defense and a solid OL and ground game under Sparano and Daboll and Nolan. Now we have a terrible OL and historically bad defense.

                      Grier and Gase have their work cut out for them, but I think we can be very competitive next season.

                      YMMV.

                    • IMAWriter
                      IMAWriter commented
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                      Yours is Revisionist history, my friend (protecting Ireland). True, Ross was the eventual fly in the ointment...when is he not?...Still, you would want Sparano here under ANY circumstance? Please.
                      You misunderstood me. I was comparing Landry...who was drafted in the 2nd round, to the crappy free agents the Dolphins have signed these past 10 years, to counter your point about Denver building their roaster with useful FAs. I then said I agree to a point, that point being Elway isn't brain-dead, as is the Dolphin FO. Suh makes more money than 6 of Denver's FA combined. Then there's Mike Wallace...those acorn washed up O-Linemen. I could go on, but you sound like an Ireland defender, so I'll back off.
                      Re-read my post. Nowhere did I say Landry was a FA. I said he's been better than any FA (save Wake)...not any OTHER FA, the latter insinuating Landry was also a FA. Ya see?
                      Man, you got me steaming!!! (kidding)

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