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    Meet the new boss,, same as the old boss....

    Great 'Who' tune,, but not exactly what we were hoping for when we envisioned a total housecleaning...In another thread i voiced serious concern & displeasure that the 'new' regime (i use this term loosely,, very loosely!) kept seven coaches from the old regime..you know the old regime, the one that stunk so bad that it has yet to post an above .500 record, the leader's were fired a few games into the season and their coaching led a team to near the bottom of most statistical categories,, yeah, that old regime..Well, turns out i was wrong, we didn't keep seven coaches afterall..Turns out we actually have nine leftovers, count 'em NINE!!!, from that crap meal we've been feasting on for the last few years...

    Looks like maybe Gase ended up dealing with a huge issue that many of us thought Dan Campbell would be faced with; the inability to attract a quality staff..so much so, that he kept most of the same coaches around who have been oh so successful thus far; good ol' Half-Measures, gotta love 'em!...I guess it looks like maybe we will get fooled again!

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    We won't get fooled again!!!!

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    • #3
      Most of the fans "Won't get fooled again" but Ross already has. He is literally the worst owner in all of sports. He has single-handily ruined this Dolphins team with his horrific decisions coupled with his inability to allow his personal feelings to get in the way of his business moves.
      "If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - George S. Patton

      “The only thing worse then a liar is a liar that’s also a hypocrite!” - Tennessee Williams

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      • #4
        Ross's gut feeling about a worthless do and has done nothing Gace will set us back 3-5 more years....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Seadog View Post
          Ross's gut feeling about a worthless do and has done nothing Gace will set us back 3-5 more years....
          Hadn't seen you around in a while Dog...thought you might've been smart & became a Broncos fan!

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          • Seadog
            #5.1
            Seadog commented
            01-26-2016, 11:32 AM
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            LOL, I was this weekend....Not sure the Donks stand a chance against Cam and Co, Cam will throw some really bad balls, but damn thing is he'll come right back and burn you on a blitz while getting hit and throw a strike for a TD.....

            Not much to talk about, now that our gut feeling coach has been hired....
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          9 carry over coaches, but some are going into new roles, including 2 who are no longer position coaches with the WRs and DBs, but doing something with analytics. I like the retention of Rizzi as the ST coach. Some of the others aren't actual position coaches at all, but merely assistants.

          Areas of our biggest needs were with coordinators and direct position coaches like the LBs coach. These were filled from the outside. Clyde Christensen, Vance Johnson, Burke, etc...
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            Everyone should have been fired, period. It sends a message that failure is not an option.
            "If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - George S. Patton

            “The only thing worse then a liar is a liar that’s also a hypocrite!” - Tennessee Williams
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              Anyone think Tannenbaum had something to do with keeping the 9? I do. I believe he had some "input" on who to keep on the payroll, and do not believe that to be a good thing.

              Half decisions lead to half-assed results, as we all have seen too often.
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              • Seadog
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                Seadog commented
                01-26-2016, 11:59 AM
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                I agree, we did a half arse job, so I expect a half arse team....Mike Shula still playing, Gace, went out a long time ago.....
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              Seadog commented
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              LOL, I was this weekend....Not sure the Donks stand a chance against Cam and Co, Cam will throw some really bad balls, but damn thing is he'll come right back and burn you on a blitz while getting hit and throw a strike for a TD.....

              Not much to talk about, now that our gut feeling coach has been hired....



              True Dat! Absolutely zero to talk about actually..just more half-ass, half-measures moving forward..or backward even further, whichever the case may be, sigh-h-h-h....

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                Originally posted by So Be View Post
                Anyone think Tannenbaum had something to do with keeping the 9? I do. I believe he had some "input" on who to keep on the payroll, and do not believe that to be a good thing.

                Half decisions lead to half-assed results, as we all have seen too often.
                Of course, Tannenbaum had EVERYTHING to do with this...Playing the puppet and being controlled by Tannenbaum is the main reason Gase is the Head Coach, and not an experienced guy like a Shanahan or a Coughlin, think those guys would put up with Tannenbaum's shit?!
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                • #11
                  Originally posted by cuchulainn View Post
                  9 carry over coaches, but some are going into new roles, including 2 who are no longer position coaches with the WRs and DBs, but doing something with analytics. I like the retention of Rizzi as the ST coach. Some of the others aren't actual position coaches at all, but merely assistants.

                  Areas of our biggest needs were with coordinators and direct position coaches like the LBs coach. These were filled from the outside. Clyde Christensen, Vance Johnson, Burke, etc...
                  New roles doesn't mean new competence...Not sure i understand the thinking that by keeping guys who failed at their old positions, they're somehow going to excel by playing musical chairs and giving them new responsibilities..Just doesn't make sense to me. I think if you look at the obvious, it means Gase couldn't attract the personnel he desired,, happens all the time with guys who have never been a HC before...

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                  • #12
                    Originally posted by Driven_Phinsane! View Post

                    New roles doesn't mean new competence...Not sure i understand the thinking that by keeping guys who failed at their old positions, they're somehow going to excel by playing musical chairs and giving them new responsibilities..Just doesn't make sense to me. I think if you look at the obvious, it means Gase couldn't attract the personnel he desired,, happens all the time with guys who have never been a HC before...
                    But, it has worked so well for the Dolphins in the past, correct?
                    "If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - George S. Patton

                    “The only thing worse then a liar is a liar that’s also a hypocrite!” - Tennessee Williams

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                    • #13
                      Originally posted by Driven_Phinsane! View Post

                      New roles doesn't mean new competence...Not sure i understand the thinking that by keeping guys who failed at their old positions, they're somehow going to excel by playing musical chairs and giving them new responsibilities..Just doesn't make sense to me. I think if you look at the obvious, it means Gase couldn't attract the personnel he desired,, happens all the time with guys who have never been a HC before...
                      Did each individual guy fail at his position? Philbin, Lazor, and Coyles ALL failed, but each position coach? And even if these guys aren't stars at their respective positions, they had enough insight and intellect to be retained, even if moved to different positions. You see in everyday life where bosses are fired and the staff is retained. Could be these guys hated what Joe and Coyles were instructing them to teach players, but they had to do so... we simply don't know...

                      And look at Dave Deguilermo. He was our OL coach under Sparano. Philbin fired him for a buddy hiring and he went on to coach the Pats OL and help them win a SB last year. Should he have been retained instead of hiring Jim Turner, John Benton, or now, Chris Foerster, who was Wanny's former OC? Degugs was easily better than any of these guys.

                      I have no idea if Gase could or couldn't attract the guys he wanted. We know for sure he wanted Joseph and Clyde and he got them. He wanted Matt Burke and Shane Day and got them. Same with Shawn Jefferson. Who was it he wanted and didn't get?
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                      • Driven_Phinsane!
                        #13.1
                        Driven_Phinsane! commented
                        01-26-2016, 09:10 PM
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                        I hear what you're saying but what i'm saying is, it's unheard of for a new HC to come in anywhere & retain the majority of the staff, it just doesn't happen..I mean come on, i could see it if it were a winning staff, but these guys have never won anything..Do i know for sure that Gase couldn't attract the guys he wanted or whether he actually had his eye on fresher if not better coaches,, nah, i'm not a fly on the wall so i can't say for sure...but if it quacks like a duck....Btw, i had read where Gase wanted the DB Coach from Dallas i(i believe) & he pretty much said 'thanks but no thanks'
                      • cuchulainn
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                        cuchulainn commented
                        01-26-2016, 09:31 PM
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                        Yeah, understand what you're saying, and maybe so, but there's a lot of stuff that gets reported that simply is misconstrued. Also, some teams block coaches under contract from being able to leave for lateral positions... I know teams blocked both Gase and Joseph in years past and others as well... I did see something rumored about the Cowboys db coach, but not sure that was anything more than rumor. Anyway, not sure that whoever he is would be an upgrade anyway. Cowboys DBs weren't very good IIRC...
                      • Driven_Phinsane!
                        #13.3
                        Driven_Phinsane! commented
                        01-26-2016, 10:15 PM
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                        lol,, yeah, i was kinda thinking the same thing...Though i'm not real happy with the 'new' staff on the surface, one guy i'm interested in watching is Vance Joseph,, been hearing some good things about him...
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                      Miami Dolphins VP Mike Tannenbaum defends decision to retain nine assistants


                      The Miami Dolphins cleaned house.

                      Sort of.
                      After a 6-10 season, their original head coach, offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator are gone.
                      But they did bring back nine coaches from that failed season — including Lou Anarumo and Darren Rizzi, who were Dan Campbell’s top assistants after Joe Philbin’s firing.
                      Why?
                      Dolphins football czar Mike Tannenbaum, following the first day of Senior Bowl practice here Tuesday, explained, saying new coach Adam Gase and general manager Chris Grier were in on the decision.
                      “The coaching staff in particular reports to Adam and certainly Chris and I made some suggestions, but they [all] went through and were vetted through a pretty rigorous process. They wouldn’t be on our staff if Adam didn’t feel good about them.”
                      Tannenbaum said retaining nine coaches “was the right decision, not the easy one.”
                      Added Grier: “They’re good coaches and good people and obviously Adam did his background on them and stuff and feels comfortable with them. It’s good to have a little bit of continuity. They’ll help them in the transition.”




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                      • #15
                        Pretty rigorous vetting process:

                        Tannenbaum: "Hey guys, none of the qualified, competent guys that new Head Coach Gase wanted have even returned his phone calls, so i told him i was going with Plan B..You guys are Plan B,, well technically you're more like Plan F, but whose counting, right?...What say you guys stick around for another year of the same ol', same ol'??"

                        Nine guys in unison: "Whatever,, not like our phonecalls have been returned either...."

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                        • DolphinsFreak
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                          DolphinsFreak commented
                          01-27-2016, 03:15 PM
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                          I am so glad that my favorite team, the Miami Dolphins, have not had the success of the MANY other teams around the league like the Patriots, Panthers, Giants, Packers, etc.....................because you know..........I would much rather bitch about stuff then have a favorite team that actually makes the playoffs and occasionally makes it to the Super Bowl. AHA............I wonder how old everyone was way back in 1984 when the Dolphins actually produced a team worthy of bragging about?
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