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As Oline coach. This all but confirms he not only gets intimidated by strong personalities but that he doesn't have the confidence to take on a bigger role in New York. I will assume that he is afraid of the NY fans and media and the OC job was too big for him. Confirmimg to me how blind Ross was on this guy and power point presentations made Philbin a millionaire.
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Last edited by AquaXI; 01-15-2016, 06:47 PM.The happiness of the Dolphin is to exist.... Jacques Cousteau. -
Guess he couldn't find the spellcheck key in NY...
At least the Colts will have a clean field and locker room.
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I wish Philbin all the best in his new job. It will be refreshing for him to be able to build an offensive line around a true NFL quarterback."If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - George S. Patton
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I just don't understand all this Philbin hate that is going on, as if all the blame is on him for the Dolphins failures. Last time I checked he wasn't in charge of player personnel. He wasn't meant to be a head coach IE: ROSS AND IRELAND should NEVER had hired him, period. Hopefully Ross didn't just make the same mistake. -
Phailbin was a decent coach but he wasn't a leader of men, the team was soft, and he forced out players that were leaders/alphas. There also was no depth last year. Phailbin played a huge part either way you look at it. -
Don't get me wrong, Vaider. I know that Philbin didn't do a good job as a head coach. I just question the people who are attacking him to dig a little deeper and find the real problem and that problem is Stephen Ross. Joe Philbin should NEVER had been hired as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins, period. There were better, more qualified coaches out there. I realize the first time around was a bit tougher because nobody wanted to come to Miami because of Jeff Ireland. I know it's still hard for his loyal following to admit that fact but it's true. However, the SECOND time around, when Ross decided to hire Mike Tannenbaum, one of those guys should have fired Philbin then and cleaned house. Tannenbaum could have brought in Coach Dan Quinn but the A**HOLE OWNER, Stephen Ross, rejected that idea because he falls in love with these guys and makes it personal. He did it with Ireland and kept him around WAY TOO LONG and then REPEATED the same exact mistake with Coach Philbin. So, I do NOT blame Coach Philbin at all. ALL of this blame should be directed at STEPHEN ROSS, PERIOD!!!!!!! JMOLast edited by DolphinsFreak; 01-15-2016, 08:34 PM.
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"I just question the people who are attacking him to dig a little deeper and find the real problem and that problem is Stephen Ross. Joe Philbin should NEVER had been hired as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins, period" (D Freak)
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So, using a political analogy, suppose a certain person is elected POTUS. Further suppose this POTUS does a HORRIBLE job, I mean truly and significantly horrible to his team...errr country. Who do we blame? Do we blame those who put him in office, aka the voting public, allowing POTUS to get off scot free, no harm no foul? Or, if the charlatan was elected based on false promises, promises that seemed so....PROMISING....should not Mr POTUS be the guilty party?
Ross was duped, as he so often seems to be. In this case, Philbin presented himself to be MORE significant to the success of the Packers than he actually was. Yes, Ross bears SOME responsibility, but Philbin is far more culpable. I can name 5 NFL coaches in the past 10 years who have done a lot more with a lot less than Philbin.
EDIT: A partial agreement with Mr D-Freak, where Ross is TRULY culpable is the fact Ross EXTENDED Joe, then forgot to fire him after year 3. Or, more probably, Ross didn't want to admit to his error in judgement, and thus CHOSE to allow the players and fans to suffer, rather than eating the extra year of salary, subjugating his ego and terminating Ross as he should have.Comment
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D-Freak, no disrespect intended, my brother.Comment
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Aquaaiea commented 6 hours ago
"Our last 2 HCs now Oline at Vikings/Colt."
Just goes to show you there are even more moronic NFL owners out there than Ross. The O-line gets WORSE with Philbin as coach, and he's hired to coach the O-Line. Did Irsay not do research on the Dolphins? Or, did Irsay just assume that because Joe was an HC, he MUST be over qualified to coach the O-Line. The inmates are running the NFL asylum. The players are thugs and punks, and the owners are miserable drunks like Irsay, Billionaires concerned only with the bottom line like the Rams owner, and clueless clods like Stephen "the NY Dolphins" Ross. Also, we can't forget the worse NFL CZAR since...nobody.
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To answer your original question - Yes, I do blame the voting public if they elect a person into office regardless of being duped with false promises. Politicians do it all the time and the voting public should be aware of this already and they should be able to sift through the BS. It's difficult to use this analogy because it's hard to think of this analogy and apply it to a real life situation. AHA I am laughing because I am a conservative and I happen to be able to relate to this analogy easily. My parents are democrats and I refer to the person they voted for as "their president," so that should shed some light on who I blame for what I believe are failures in this country. I do not want to get political on this forum, I am just giving you a little insight into my thought process. So, long story longer, I do blame the voting public if they vote someone into office who does a horrible job and I take responsibility for the person I vote for if they do a horrible job. It's not a one-sided situation.Originally posted by IMAWriter View Post
To answer you edit - It's my contention that a multi-billionaire who made his money in business should not be given any passes for being "Duped" by anyone. An offensive line coach for an NFL football team was able to "dupe" a multi-billionaire? If that is true then that would make Stephen Ross one of the dumbest businessmen in the world. I don't believe he was duped. I believe he was trapped. His loyalty to Jeff Ireland was why Ross was pretty much forced to settle for a coach like Philbin. This offseason coaching candidates were lining up to come to Miami. Back in 2012 not many wanted the job and they were refusing to even be interviewed even though they could use that interview as leverage to get a job with another team. Coaching candidates in 2012 didn't want to waste their time coming to Miami because the owner was a well-known joke and the general manager had a worse reputation. So, originally, it was Ross' fault why Coach Philbin was hired in the first place because of his loyalty to Ireland. Then, when Stephen Ross hired Mike Tannenbaum to handle the football side of his businesses, he intervened AGAIN and refused to allow Mike Tannenbaum to do his job and bring in a coach who he felt would be a better fit for the team. I think if you polled the fans then and now you would get the same result if asked whether or not they would prefer Dan Quinn to be the Dolphins head coach or Joe Philbin. Why is it that the average fan knows more about football and the Dolphins then its owner?
Long story longer............I blame Stephen Ross for ALL of the Miami Dolphins current problems. He attaches himself to people that he hires and keeps them employed longer then he should for personal reasons. Ross is the problem, period. He needs to remove himself from ALL THINGS FOOTBALL or sell the team. Until then, this team will have difficulty ever succeeding. JMO"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - George S. Patton
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" because the owner was a well-known joke"
DFreak, doesn't this little bit of your commentary REINFORCE what I was saying? Ross was DUPED, seduced by a guy he saw as a "square shooter."
Yes, you are COMPLETELY on the mark regarding the presence of Ireland as a negative...a BIG negative, and yes, Ross, mainly due ton the Harbaugh debacle was considered LESS than a straight shooter. We're both all around the main point which is even guys like McAdoo are defending Philbin..."a great coach" as McAdoo said in the link posted by "Aqua." It's a good 'ol boy club. Say NOTHING bad about a coach, for in the future you might be working for HIM. That's why I said earlier the NFL now operates like the NBA as it regards coaches.
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As I stated, if he was duped he is the dumbest businessman in the world. That isn't hard to believe for any Dolphins fan is it? I have a feeling though, that IF he was duped it was probably Ireland doing the duping. That little guy was a weasel. I could easily see him selling Philbin TO Ross because he knew that the big name coaches, and others, were not coming to Miami for interviews because of him. So, he could have got into Ross' ear and sold Ross on Philbin.
Staying away from all things political. If people think that I am a a**hole for how critical I am about Ireland and Tannehill, they wouldn't want to hear or read any rants I may about their president.
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LOYAL TO A HUGE FAULT!!! This i agree with 100%!!!!! I'm assuming Ross made billions in the world of real estate by being perceptive, having an uber-keen awareness of everything going on around him & being cut-throat when the need arose, if he can't apply the same business practices to his hobby he needs to fall on his sword & leave the team in better hands...Originally posted by DolphinsFreak View Post
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Meh... fk the Colts. Never liked that team. If we played in that soft division, we'd own it each season.
Philbin couldn't have inspired or coached a dog to lick it's ass if he'd coated it in peanut butter. Don't hate the guy, but he was perfect example of the ''Donnie Principle'' - out of his element. So is Ross when it comes to HCs There's a report/rumor floating around that Tbaum wanted to hire Shanahan, but Ross (and his gut) wanted Gase. /sighs..
Anyway, hoping Tbaum and Grier can bring fix the personnel and Gase coach them up. We'll see... at least cutting Jason Fox was a step in the right direction.Comment
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Good for Joe, he's a good man just a bad HC. I hold no ill will towards the man, wasn't his fault Ross made a bad hire...Comment
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The happiness of the Dolphin is to exist.... Jacques Cousteau.Comment
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There was a lot of talk about the Colts parting ways with their head coach this season. Maybe Philbin sees the Colts opportunity as a better chance of becoming a head coach again considering the Giants just hired a head coach it would be a long time, if ever, that the Giants would choose him over their brand new coach.Originally posted by Aquaaiea View Post"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - George S. Patton
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