Is Tannehill worth the #2 pick in the draft?

[kelbail2.2]

Would Cleveland be willing to give the #2 pick in the draft to secure their QB of the present and future? Shouldn't the #8 pick in the 2012 draft, a franchise QB, a two time 4,000 yard passer be polished enough to garner the second pick in a QB starved draft? If so, should we be interested?
Here's my thinking. Gase is in for the long haul. He signed a five year deal. That's the kind of deal you give a QB guru when you plan on drafting a QB. That's the kind of time it takes for the two to grow together. Second, even most Tannehill supporters agree that you can win with Tannehill but Tannehill isn't going to win you games. The same supporters are adamant about the fact that this team's biggest offensive weakness is at OL. So let's take the #2 pick and draft LT Joe Stanley. Then draft one of the big three QBs at #8. We didn't plan on having a QB to win us games anyway. The money we save playing a rookie offsets the dead money for RT and the deal gets sweeter each year afterward. Acquiring that pick nets us a premiere LT next to B Albert and Mike Pouncey. We sign the best RG available in free agency and all the excuses dry up. That line will allow us to run on anyone and allow us to properly groom a true franchise Quarterback; one without a ton of bad habits. Love 17 or hate him, this team isn't going anywhere anytime soon and this idea isn't about my feelings towards Ryan. I think it is strategically the right move that will pay big dividends down the line. I also think it would be more fair to judge Gase on how he develops a rookie behind a kick ass offensive line than how he resurrects the career of RT behind continued patchwork up front.
If you don't think Cleveland would give the #2 pick in this year's draft for him, I think it's fair to say RT hasn't come that far in his four years and isn't worthy of being called "A Baird Man".

[AquaXI]

Won't happen now that I know front office all but hired Gase because of Tanehill. Also now that Jackson is coach and how he perceives Tanehill is unknown.

[DolphinsFreak]

<Crickets>

Catch-22...............If anyone on this forum actually believed Tannehill had all the skills that they claim and that all he needs in an offensive line, then teams in need of a QB would be lining up to make a trade with the Dolphins. I don't believe any team in the NFL would give up a first round pick for him. A franchise quarterback should be worth at least 2 first round picks, at minimum, and I don't think Tannehill would get any trade action for the Dolphins for ONE first round pick. Teams can see he is nothing but a dink and dunk QB who defensive coaches can EASILY scheme against. He can't score in the red zone and his specialty is moving the ball up and down the field, where it doesn't matter, then failing in the red zone OR producing good stats in GARBAGE TIME.

[Alpha]

I think at best we'd get a 3rd for him just now....and there's no way I'd give him up for that. His value isn't high after the team struggled and his numbers declined.

[FTLDOLFAN]

I don't think the Browns would give us the #2 pick in the draft for Tannehill. Something to consider though is with Chip Kelly going to the 49ers, he might have went there because of Colin Kapaernik. If he intends on salvaging his career then they might not draft a QB at #7. Which would all of a sudden leave either Paxton Lynch or Jared Goff available to us at #8 since the Browns would likely be the only team to draft a QB in the top 7 picks.

Would Adam Gase want to hand pick his own QB and draft either Lynch or Goff or might we trade down and acquire a bunch of draft picks since there would definitely be interest from another team looking to trade up for either of those QBs?

[AquaXI]

I don't think that for a team like us who are not desparate for a QB, Lynch or Goeff won't be tempting but for a move down for a team like Rams and Texans so they can be at 8 I can see happening. Tannenbaum likes to move up or pick at the position so I don't really see that scenario but you never know.

[DolphinsFreak]

Some people on this forum keep saying we should draft BPA. I am wondering if they really feel this way if one of the top QB's were to still be on the board and more than likely would take over their favorite players spot as the Dolphins new quarterback. I know Lynch would take over the #1 spot on the Dolphins. I am not too big on Goff though. I think Cook may fall into the 2nd round and I would love it if he were the BPA with the Dolphins 2nd round pick.

[39Zonk]

I don't care if they draft a qb late for competition, but I will be mad if our first few picks aren't LB and DB. My question is this? Luck had a bad year too, should the colts be looking for another qb too? Same scenario as Tannehill. Once again not bailing yet til I see a good offensive line and better coaching

[cuchulainn]

Agree with Zonk... and a silly thread considering Gase was hired in large part specifically to further develop Tannehill.

As far as the Browns, Hue Jackson has ties to Goff already ...

[DolphinsFreak]

The front office of the Miami Dolphins has lied to their fan base more then a few times so MAYBE Gase was hired to develop a rookie quarterback and NOT to somehow miraculously "develop" Tannehill in his FOURTH season. Maybe the Dolphins front office isn't as dumb as they appear to be because hiring a head coach because of one player is fu**ing stupid. I think Gase was hired because he was the "hot candidate" and he was a guy who Tannenbaum could still push around. The other top dogs didn't even make the Dolphins top 3 choices, but all three had the same thing in common, Tannenbaum would be able to throw his weight around, unlike the other candidates that they interviewed. Gase won't have time to develop a quarterback while trying to be a head coach for the first time AND calling the plays on offense. If anyone thinks he is going to do anything other then design more short range passes for Tannehill they are kidding themselves.

[DolphinsFreak]

Do you work for the Miami Dolphins? If not, you should really stop pretending you do and that you know exactly what the team is going to do. You're getting ALL your information from the same sources the rest of us use so you should really stop talking down to everyone as if you know more then the rest of us do. You read information about Gase on a website and you believed every word of it. Good for you. Me, on the other hand, do not believe everything I read especially when it comes to the Dolphins. They SAY they are going to do one thing and they usually do the complete opposite. False Promises is the &quot;Dolphins Way.&quot; Just because it was written on some website that Gase was hired for this reason or that reason, doesn't make it true. Was Gase hired to be the head coach or the quarterback coach? He can't be the head coach, call the plays on offense AND be the quarterbacks coach too. That's too much to ask of anybody, especially a coach who has NO EXPERIENCE. People can &quot;credit&quot; Gase for developing any quarterback they want to but I have seen the list and I will admit it did give me a big laugh. Cutler? Yes, he has improved so much I couldn't believe how much his game drastically improved. I was unaware that Gase was also a psychiatrist too, along with his other alleged talents. Cutler needed therapy, not a quarterbacks coach, to help him improve his game. Cutler is a headcase and has been since he got to the NFL, and more than likely prior to that as well. Once he got the help he needed, off the field, his game started to improve on the field, slightly. Gase was NOT a coach you wanted but since he was hired to TRY and improve your favorite player, the player you incessantly defend even when everyone but you knows he played terribly, I am not surprised that you all of a sudden are all for the Gase hire. Yes, I didn't like Ireland and I am pretty sure 99.8% of the football world agrees with me that he was a terrible GM. Tannebaum is not a target of mine, he is a target of everyone who watched what he did with the Jets. He's a New York guy. If you like him that your problem not mine. I am indifferent. I think the Suh signing was ridiculous! The Dolphins could have used multiple players with that money rather then spending it all in one place. The Dolphins were NOT one player away from being complete. But, that is what Tannenbaum is well-known for, overspending to inflate his massive ego. Hopefully he will prove that he has learned from his mistake with the New York Jets and not repeat them with the Miami Jets.:-)

[DolphinsFreak]

Phins169, I like the way you think!! This franchise has put ALL its eggs in one basket for the past FOUR YEARS. They are one of the only teams that I have seen that have done this. Matt Moore is NOT pushing Tannehill at all and everyone knows it, including the coaching staff. Hopefully the new coaching staff will not make the same mistake that the previous two have made. This team needs competition at every position, especially the most important position on the football field that just so happens to have the biggest Question Mark on it right now. NOBODY knows whether Tannehill will EVER become a franchise quarterback. So far he has proven that he will not, all he will be is a mediocre QB that will require an elite team around him to help manage the game and the wins for him. This team needs a rookie quarterback to give Tannehill competition, immediately. The good news is that the Best Player Available in one of the first two round just might be a quarterback. The bad news is that with Grier being the new GM, with Tannenbaum looking over his shoulder, I am not confident that they will actually draft BPA if that player is a Quarterback.

[cuchulainn]

TLDR... what I'm telling you is to either ignore my posts or stop creating strawman arguments based off taking something I wrote out of context.

Carry on.

[kelbail2.2]

I didn't ask whether anyone thought Gase and Tannenbaum would trade Tannehill or not. My question was simply, "Is Tannehill worth the 2nd pick in the draft?' That is just a question to gauge his current value. With numbers like his, the "upside" he's shown and the support he gets from so many, I wondered how many think he is really a franchise QB. If he is, the #2 pick in this draft is a bargain for the Browns. I don't see what's silly about that? I think there are some individuals that need to be a little more careful carrying their personal spats with other members over into the non-combating participants' threads. I understand I followed up with my own trade scenario to add some flavor but it really doesn't change the scope or veracity of the question. "Is he worth it?" Everything from the Dolphins' front office side says, "Yes." If he is, then it is completely realistic to think Tannenbaum will be fielding such calls come March. It would be silly to assume he won't be picking up the phone.

[cuchulainn]

I didn't ask whether anyone thought Gase and Tannenbaum would trade Tannehill or not. My question was simply, "Is Tannehill worth the 2nd pick in the draft?' That is just a question to gauge his current value. With numbers like his, the "upside" he's shown and the support he gets from so many, I wondered how many think he is really a franchise QB. If he is, the #2 pick in this draft is a bargain for the Browns. I don't see what's silly about that? I think there are some individuals that need to be a little more careful carrying their personal spats with other members over into the non-combating participants' threads. I understand I followed up with my own trade scenario to add some flavor but it really doesn't change the scope or veracity of the question. "Is he worth it?" Everything from the Dolphins' front office side says, "Yes." If he is, then it is completely realistic to think Tannenbaum will be fielding such calls come March. It would be silly to assume he won't be picking up the phone.

Kelly, you tend to rant a bit, which lessens the effectiveness of your topics or statements. Also, everything about the hiring of Gase, including his own statements has completely been to help further the development of Tannehill. No way they are going to trade him away.

Now to answer your series of questions from the OP:

Would Cleveland be willing to give the #2 pick in the draft to secure their QB of the present and future? A - They should. But then #Browns.
Shouldn't the #8 pick in the 2012 draft, a franchise QB, a two time 4,000 yard passer be polished enough to garner the second pick in a QB starved draft? A- Yes, I agree. He should be.
If so, should we be interested? A - No, not in this draft.

Succinct enough?

Now who are you pulling for at QB in this draft? You beat the drum for Petty and Manziel the past 2 drafts, and I think maybe it was Barkley or Jones the previous one and Weeden maybe back before that.

YMMV.

[DolphinsFreak]

Tannehill is NOT a franchise quarterback, period.

Only a few Dolphins fans would consider him a franchise quarterback and possibly a few "Spielman-type" general managers out there, but I highly doubt any of them would be willing to put their careers on the line to make a trade like the one purposed in the original post. IF Tannehill was a true franchise quarterback then ANY TEAM in need of a quarterback would give their right arm and then some to only have to give up ONE draft pick for him.

The Redskins traded away THREE first round picks AND a second round pick for what they 'thought' was going to be their future franchise quarterback. That is how important franchise quarterbacks are in this league. (THREE #1 picks and ONE 2nd round pick) If ANY team in this league was is in need of a FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK they would easily give up a least TWO first round picks for him. SO, if the Browns, or any team for that matter, turned down a trade for Tannehill for ONE first round draft pick that would mean they do NOT believe that he is a franchise quarterback right now, and they also don't think he will ever be one in the future. This is a present and future decision for each team. They would ALL say "NO!" to this trade because they do NOT believe Tannehill is a franchise quarterback right now and they NEVER think he will ever be one in the future.

If any quarterback staved team declined ONE first round draft pick for Ryan Tannehill that would speak volumes to his true worth around the league. As of right now I do NOT think he is worthy of a 1st round pick, not even just one, because he is not a franchise quarterback and I have my doubts that he will ever be one, even with the best offensive line in the league and great receivers, and I think GM's around the league would agree.

[Alpha]

Look at Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, Eli Manning, Brett Favre, John Elway and a host of others. Would you say they were true Franchise QBs after their first 4 seasons? Heck, even look at Brady's numbers 4 years in. Is Andrew Luck (who declined far more than Tannehill this year)?

One year in a lot of people would have said RGIII is. What now?

You don't necessarily know what Tannehill will be. He's never had a very good defense and the line that DOESN'T protect him has him as the most hit and most sacked in the NFL over his career. Only now does he have a quality WR corps - but injuries killed our line and made it one of the worst we've ever had this season. How about we let him play behind a good line, with quality receivers and see what he can become? Until then, we won't know.

I feel confident if we pawn him off or cut him, we'll sure see when a decent team needing a QB makes us regret it.

[DolphinsFreak]

Here's a great idea...............let's give Tannehill another four years of excuses. Let's fire an entire receiving corps and hire a new group, just for Tannehill. Then, let's hire and fire head coaches and coordinators because of one player. THEN, let's hire a head coach to develop Tannehill. Yeah, that's a great idea. Let's hire a head coach to a 5 year deal because the media tells us that he is a QB guru. Let's invest EVERYTHING the Dolphins have on ONE PLAYER, a player that should probably be playing wide receiver rather then quarterback. I have seen other teams do this and succeed. Wait a minute........I have never seen any team on any level do this. BUT, it's the Dolphins, they do everything unconventionally and it never works, but that never stops them from trying. Tannehill sucks until he proves otherwise.

[DOLPHINSIN2008]

Over the last 6 drafts 16 QB'S were picked in the first round only half are starters right now . Its a little early to judge some of the first and second year guys but on the guys with 50 plus starts its clear who the worthy picks were,my list is by passing yards but not who I think is the best

Cam Newton 78 starts passing yards - 18263 / td's - 117 / picks - 64 / 244 - 20 plus pass plays / 41 - 40 plus pass plays / sacked 185 times
Ryan Tannehill 64 starts passing yards 15460 / td's - 87 / picks - 54 / 184 - 20 plus pass plays / 30 - 40 plus pass plays / sacked 184 times
Andrew Luck 55 starts passing yards 14838/ td's - 101/ picks - 55 / 203- 20 plus pass plays / 38 - 40 plus pass plays / sacked 115 times
Sam Bradford 63 starts passing yards 14790 / td's - 78 / picks - 52 / 167 - 20 plus pass plays / 31 - 40 plus pass plays / sacked 148 times

and that's all I got to say about that