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  • Second Thoughts On Suh?

    Most, including myself, thought signing Suh to his monster deal was a good move. What are we thinking now?

    Many are saying that he has crippled us on the salary cap, and that simply is not true. This year, in addition to Suh, we gave big deals to Tannehill and Pouncey with $10M left over in the bank. Next year we have to pay him a whopping $28M but, can easily clear $40m or more in cap space with no big losses affecting the future of this team. He was like signing two high priced FA for the price of one, and it's debatable at best that we could have done any better with two.

    He has not had the impact which many had hoped for but, overall had a VG (not great) year. I expect to improve next year. We could have, and have, done much much worse in our FA signings.

    So, in hindsight, do you still like the deal?

  • #2
    Yes! Only thing I worry on Suh is if he walks his own path and dont respect or follow rules of the new coaching staff. Hope he becomes more of a team player.
    The deeper the roots, the higher the reach.

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    • #3
      I've changed my mind BIG-TIME,, but not for the reasons one would think...I was probably banging the drum loudest to sign Suh as i thought the future HOF would make everybody around him better..well, what ended up actually happening is our crappy team brought him down to their level and we basically turned the future Hall Of Famer into a Hall Monitor...He had a good year but in hindsight there's absolutely no way i would've made the same decision!

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      • #4
        Could have gotten 2 or 3 great defensive linemen for the money spent on Suh. A waste of money for years to come.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Driven_Phinsane! View Post
          I've changed my mind BIG-TIME,, but not for the reasons one would think...I was probably banging the drum loudest to sign Suh as i thought the future HOF would make everybody around him better..well, what ended up actually happening is our crappy team brought him down to their level and we basically turned the future Hall Of Famer into a Hall Monitor...He had a good year but in hindsight there's absolutely no way i would've made the same decision!
          OV is #1 in overall pressures on the QB (sacks, hits, and hurries) while playing vs opposing LT's. Suh had something to do with that but, OV has talent. Wake, when healthy, was a Manster. Suh had something to do with that but, Wake has a ton of talent.

          Our LB's and secondary (other than Jones) were terrible. Suh cannot make chicken salad.



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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tarpon Guide View Post
            Could have gotten 2 or 3 great defensive linemen for the money spent on Suh. A waste of money for years to come.
            http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...p-125-names-go

            Here's a list of the top 100 FA signings of 2015. Of all those available, I do not see two who I would trade Suh for.

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            • cuchulainn
              cuchulainn commented
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              Agree. Was wondering who these other "great" DLmen were myself.

          • #7
            Imagine how bad our defense would have been without him.

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            • #8
              I think he was worth the money to be sure - the problem is that the thing he's great at (forcing a double team and opening things up for the linebackers to make plays) is something we aren't any good at because our linebackers are one of our weakest spots. I like Jenkins fine. Misi would be a solid backup since he can play a couple spots. The Rookies show potential, but they were UFAs and have a long way to go to be playmakers. If we had a Luke Kuechly MLB on the team, Suh's impact would skyrocket. It's the position I most wanted us to address for years....and we still haven't done it.

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              • #9
                I don't see how he is worth the money. Now the Dolphins have ONE elite player and a bunch of scrubs. By the time the build a team around him he will be looking to get another fat contract and just move on. The Dolphins were NOT one player away from make a playoff push so that money was wasted in my opinion. That money could have filled 3-5 different holes on this team. He's on the team now so it's time to build around him, signing and drafting defensive players to build an elite D and THEN and only then will that money pay off.

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by gulfcoast74 View Post
                  Imagine how bad our defense would have been without him.
                  Are you telling me it could've actually been worse??!!! OUCH!!!!!

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by Alpha View Post
                    I think he was worth the money to be sure - the problem is that the thing he's great at (forcing a double team and opening things up for the linebackers to make plays) is something we aren't any good at because our linebackers are one of our weakest spots. I like Jenkins fine. Misi would be a solid backup since he can play a couple spots. The Rookies show potential, but they were UFAs and have a long way to go to be playmakers. If we had a Luke Kuechly MLB on the team, Suh's impact would skyrocket. It's the position I most wanted us to address for years....and we still haven't done it.
                    Completely agree. The other thing that works against him is that he plays more snaps than most anyone else. Looking forward to Phillips getting more playing time next season beside him. Hopefully we have better LB and DE/OLB play to take advantage of what he brings to the DL.

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                    • #12
                      At the time we signed him I was excited but we have overestimated the talent level on our team. In hindsight I would not have signed him. We would have been better off signing four other free agents who collectively would have helped us more.

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                      • #13
                        I agree with those of you who think LBs are the weakness. Suh gobbles up blockers and attention. With the opponents linemen occupied, the LBs should be flying everywhere virtually unblocked like ZT used to playing behind Bowens and Gardner. Teams found that they could dedicate blockers to our DL, and no one else made the plays. Suh is a rare talent, but one DT doesn't make a good defense, it's a team sport. Watch other teams defenses and you will see guards getting out to that second level to block the ILB. They don't do that to us because they don't need to.

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                        • #14
                          Here are some thoughts on Suh from a guy that has covered a lot of Dolphins football.
                          Can we sign this guy?

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