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  • miami has failed in every coaching senerio !

    retread coach, assistant or position coach,and college coach. they failed in the retread coach in jimmy johnson,he did draft some great players,but he flew the coop and recommended his replacement that was a failure!
    they've had a number of assistant or position coaches,and saban was a failure for miami,just left the team hanging in limbo,saying he wasn't going to go to LSU!
    it's all a crap shoot,my take is give DC the job and let him build this own staff and players.this last game showed as DC stated, who is playing for the emblem on the side of the helmet and the name on the back of the jersey!!!!!

  • #2
    I like DC and really hoped he could show enough to get the job. The only thing he has shown is that he is years away from being a HC in the NFL. Even the argument that he has the respect of the players was shown to be false this past weekend. If they respect him so much they damn sure don't show it on the field.

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    • #3
      I am inclined to give Campbell a shot. First of all, seriously, who is out there that would be a "WOW" candidate? The only one that gets my toes to tingle a little is Mike Shula, who has done well with Carolina's offense but not as a head coach anywhere. So who else would get you seriously excited? Sean Payton doesn't do much for me after watching last night's game. Maybe Jim Mora Jr.? Nah...I say give Dan Campbell another year and see if he can put together some great coordinators and add some talent. Then at the end of next year see what we have.

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      • Idahomer
        Idahomer commented
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        I like Campbell. If I thought he could put a solid staff together I would support him as HC. I just don't think he can get a skilled OC and DC to come work under him whereas someone with a proven resume could. I wish we would have given KC Rogers the DC job last season, he's done a great job with the Jets and he would have worked under Campbell. We have no one on staff and again not many proven guys will want to come work for the Dolphins under Campbell.

    • #4
      i think it might come down to that ,sorry but these guy are going to play the same for any coach who comes along.don shula couldn't get these guy to play any [email protected]!
      dan is playing rookies and the o-line is just at a high school level ,devastated by injury.
      every one screamed to play the rookies and now he is and they get blown out ,is it directly dan's fault,that the rookies are learning on the fly, no matter what he does he can't please some!
      I would put odds on it,that if DC is kept, 3/4 of this team is stocking shelves next year,because he knows the ones playing and the ones who aren't,no matter what he says to the media.
      I'm wondering if we know what the decision on a HC is shortly after the season ends or do they take their time in making a decision? so my question is if the decision comes fast means they have been planning and know what they are doing, like keeping DC at HC or interviewing a mass of people taking up alot of off season time to decide.

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      • #5
        Any coach has to have talent and depth. A lot of our issues are with a lack quality starters on the OL and at CB and LB.

        Actually, Sparano showed that he could win in the 1 season he had a QB. If he'd ever had a QB as relatively good as Tannehill, he might have taken us back to the playoffs again. Henne and Daniel Thomas were terrible together.

        The problems were with Philbin dumping talent he didn't want to coach and Coyles misusing players.

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        • #6
          Other than 'because nobody else will want the job' i'm just curious why some believe DC deserves the job...And i'm not talking about the reasons he can't be judged fairly, we all know those; injuries, lack of talent, dealt a shitty hand, etc.etc. etc., i'm talking about why some think he even deserves a shot at all...

          DC pretty much fell into the interim HC role b/c we weren't smart enough to fire Philbin's bum ass & his, for the most part incompetent entourage after last season, and there was really no one with any experience to fill the role...As i've stated before the interim position means exactly that, interim..as in filling the space in the mean time 'til things can be sorted out. Also as i've stated before, DC's name wouldn't have popped up as any HCing candidate anywhere, no way, no hell, no how, had he not had the interim job dumped on him...So i'm just trying to figure out why some believe he should just be handed the permanent job...I know some will say look at the Todd Bowles situation; let's not make that same mistake again,, but people tend to forget that Bowles left the interim job here and spent a few years coaching the Cards D..This proves that not only did we not deem him ready to become HC, every other team with a HC vacancy thought likewise..There's a reason why there's a process to ultimately becoming a HC in the NFL and working your way up, gaining experience as you go..Guy's aren't just handed these jobs and nor should they be...

          So if you want to tell me that DC will be our next HC because no one else would want this shitty job i'd say you've got a very valid point and just might be spot-on right..BUT if you're trying to tell me that he deserves his shot, i'll say with his internship and few years as a position coach working under such geniuses as Philbin & Sherman, i'm gonna hafta respectfully disagree!

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          • #7
            I am baffled as to what Campbell has done to deserve a shot at keeping the head coaching job. He went from intern to head coach in record time and has less experience then any coach in the country. Why does he deserve a shot at ruining this team for the next 3-5 years?

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            • #8
              Originally posted by DolphinsFreak View Post
              I am baffled as to what Campbell has done to deserve a shot at keeping the head coaching job. He went from intern to head coach in record time and has less experience then any coach in the country. Why does he deserve a shot at ruining this team for the next 3-5 years?

              Agreed!!! He's shown nada, beat a couple "bad as the Dolphins teams" and that's it, no idea how to win the big games nor come up with a plan to beat them....

              Will DC become a good coach??? Who the heck knows, but he needs to be an OC or DC under a very good coach, this guy CAN'T become a good HC by us hiring him as one....He has no one to study under except every team that kicks his arse on Sunday's....

              The DC HC is over, that is who Ross picked to finish the season off with so at the end of the season we can go and find a guy that has experience, not necessarily HC experience, but has OC or DC experience and has been under or help develop a winning team....

              My picks for HC, Mike Shula or Josh McDaniels...Mike has done VERY well with the Panthers as OC and the same for Josh with NE, and Josh has proven his OC skills year after year now.....

              Out of the running, Sean Payton, took a good team and now they are crapolla, I know, can't stay at the top all the time...wait NE has done a very good job at it.....

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              • #9
                Originally posted by Driven_Phinsane! View Post
                Other than 'because nobody else will want the job' i'm just curious why some believe DC deserves the job...And i'm not talking about the reasons he can't be judged fairly, we all know those; injuries, lack of talent, dealt a shitty hand, etc.etc. etc., i'm talking about why some think he even deserves a shot at all...

                DC pretty much fell into the interim HC role b/c we weren't smart enough to fire Philbin's bum ass & his, for the most part incompetent entourage after last season, and there was really no one with any experience to fill the role...As i've stated before the interim position means exactly that, interim..as in filling the space in the mean time 'til things can be sorted out. Also as i've stated before, DC's name wouldn't have popped up as any HCing candidate anywhere, no way, no hell, no how, had he not had the interim job dumped on him...So i'm just trying to figure out why some believe he should just be handed the permanent job...I know some will say look at the Todd Bowles situation; let's not make that same mistake again,, but people tend to forget that Bowles left the interim job here and spent a few years coaching the Cards D..This proves that not only did we not deem him ready to become HC, every other team with a HC vacancy thought likewise..There's a reason why there's a process to ultimately becoming a HC in the NFL and working your way up, gaining experience as you go..Guy's aren't just handed these jobs and nor should they be...

                So if you want to tell me that DC will be our next HC because no one else would want this shitty job i'd say you've got a very valid point and just might be spot-on right..BUT if you're trying to tell me that he deserves his shot, i'll say with his internship and few years as a position coach working under such geniuses as Philbin & Sherman, i'm gonna hafta respectfully disagree!

                I understand what you're saying and largely agree. I think what it will come down to is the HC (Dan Campbell or other) having a philosophy that is in accord with what Tbaum wants for the offensive and defensive identity of the team.

                Not saying Dan will retain the job, just that IF Tbaum likes his philosophies, his intellect, his energy, and his abilities, both tangible and intangible, he may be retained and given the job for the next 2 seasons provided there isn't a better candidate out there that Tbaum wants as the HC.

                Shula is the sexy pick for a number of reasons, but not sure he can live up the expectations and the pressure of not just being an NFL HC, but the Dolphins HC in the shadow of The Don. As for McDaniels, he lost the team in Denver with his antics and personnel decisions. Granted he won't have control over the personnel here, but his personality and tantrums could see the same thing happening.

                Guess we'll find out what happens in the next 3 or 4 weeks.

                And despite the mess we've been in the past 2 seasons, there are ONLY 32 NFL teams. All the jobs are attractive to a large extent. Just some more than others.

                YMMV.

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by cuchulainn View Post


                  I understand what you're saying and largely agree. I think what it will come down to is the HC (Dan Campbell or other) having a philosophy that is in accord with what Tbaum wants for the offensive and defensive identity of the team.

                  Not saying Dan will retain the job, just that IF Tbaum likes his philosophies, his intellect, his energy, and his abilities, both tangible and intangible, he may be retained and given the job for the next 2 seasons provided there isn't a better candidate out there that Tbaum wants as the HC.

                  Shula is the sexy pick for a number of reasons, but not sure he can live up the expectations and the pressure of not just being an NFL HC, but the Dolphins HC in the shadow of The Don. As for McDaniels, he lost the team in Denver with his antics and personnel decisions. Granted he won't have control over the personnel here, but his personality and tantrums could see the same thing happening.

                  Guess we'll find out what happens in the next 3 or 4 weeks.

                  And despite the mess we've been in the past 2 seasons, there are ONLY 32 NFL teams. All the jobs are attractive to a large extent. Just some more than others.

                  YMMV.
                  I believe that if Dan Campbell is 'given' this job (And IMO if he becomes the next Fins HC he will have been given the job, not earned it) i will step away from following & supporting the Miami Dolphins for the next couple of years because at that point i would be convinced that they no longer care about winning...In my mind there is no way that DC deserves an opportunity at this point in time to coach the Dolphins or any other franchise for that matter...There is absolutely no way that he'd be able to attract experienced competent coordinator's, who would all technically have more coaching experience than him...

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                  • DolphinsFreak
                    DolphinsFreak commented
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                    I plan on stepping away too if Campbell or any other undeserving person is hired as the next head coach of the Dolphins. They won't deserve our time and effort if they can't convince us that they cate about winning as much as the fans do. Maybe I will start watching hockey or take up golf.

                  • Driven_Phinsane!
                    Driven_Phinsane! commented
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                    I've made comments like this in the past & reneged, but i'm serious as a heart attack this time...As i said, if DC's given the job i will take that as confirmation that either the organization doesn't care about winning, they have no clue how to go about winning or a combination of both..Either way, at heart i'll ALWAYS be a Miami Dolphins fan, but if things play out as they normally do,, i'm gonna take a much needed & deserved break...

                  • DolphinsFreak
                    DolphinsFreak commented
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                    I agree and feel the same way. I am not trying to be funny. I am totally serious. If they hire Campbell I will take some time away from the Dolphins and take up another hobby. If this organization doesn't want to win or know how to build acwinningvteam, why should I waste my time and money supporting them. Campbell, Taylor, etc. ALL must go or I am done with this fing team.

                • #11
                  Dan Campbell is a TE coach! when was the last time we've had a productive TE??????? Enough said..... Don't let the door hitcha in the ass..... Hahahaha DC as a HC....LMAO!

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                  • #12
                    brian billick was a tight end coach before he became assistant head coach at minnesota then head coach of the ravens!
                    the miami brain trust thought enough of him to make him IHC. there's nothing that would indicate that he wouldn't be a good head coach.
                    just because he was a TE coach doesn't mean he can't be a HC. just because some people believe he wouldn't be able to get good staff to join him is 100% speculation on their part ,there is no evidence,or no other perspective personal have indicated that they wouldn't join a DC run miami team!

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                    • #13
                      Originally posted by phinfanfrom70s View Post
                      brian billick was a tight end coach before he became assistant head coach at minnesota then head coach of the ravens!
                      the miami brain trust thought enough of him to make him IHC. there's nothing that would indicate that he wouldn't be a good head coach.
                      just because he was a TE coach doesn't mean he can't be a HC. just because some people believe he wouldn't be able to get good staff to join him is 100% speculation on their part ,there is no evidence,or no other perspective personal have indicated that they wouldn't join a DC run miami team!
                      Im just curious as to what exactly DC has DONE that makes you believe will be a great HC. And believe me I like DC just have not seen anything that suggest he is ready or capable of not only turning this mess around but also leading this sorry ass team to greatness.

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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by phinfanfrom70s View Post
                        brian billick was a tight end coach before he became assistant head coach at minnesota then head coach of the ravens!
                        the miami brain trust thought enough of him to make him IHC. there's nothing that would indicate that he wouldn't be a good head coach.
                        just because he was a TE coach doesn't mean he can't be a HC. just because some people believe he wouldn't be able to get good staff to join him is 100% speculation on their part ,there is no evidence,or no other perspective personal have indicated that they wouldn't join a DC run miami team!
                        You're right, being a TE's Coach has nothing to do with whether you'd make a good HC or not; as you pointed out, that's what Brian Billick was and he turned out to be a damn good NFL HC (Billick is who i wanted as our next HC back when we hired Sparano!) But what you didn't mention was that Brian Billick had 20 years of coaching experience (4 different universities and an NFL team) before getting a shot at an NFL HC position. Starting in 1977 as a college volunteer WR Coach to 1998 where he concluded a 7 year stint with the Minnesota Vikings working under Dennis Green (Bill Walsh disciple) as both the TE Coach AND Offensive Coordinator) That's a TON of experience to make him a qualified candidate to become the next HC of the Ravens in 1999!!! Conversely, Dan Campbell, counting his 2010 Internship has 6 years experience working & learning under such geniuses as Tony Sparano, Dan Henning, Joe PhailBum & Mike Sherman..Do we really want this guy as our next HC??!!!

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                        • phinfanfrom70s
                          phinfanfrom70s commented
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                          I like how DC has handled the situation that is the 2015 miami dolphins!
                          every week it a different problem ,mostly devastating injuries in key positions.
                          I like how he has changed things to try to get success with the current roster.
                          i believe with the right coordinators he can make a team built under his influence a successful team.
                          most successful HC in the past have had brilliant people under them who in most cases like parcells,walsh,billichick,holgren etc,had assistants move on to be good coaches themselves! coordinators come up with the game plans basically and HC puts input into it and their okay .their basically overseers,with some coaches who are control freaks and some who put more trust in the coordinators to do their jobs,but all in the image of what the coach sees the team as!

                          as I see it,is how I see it. others don't see it that way,but it's time that will write this stories end. the same as with tannehill some think he will not make it as a starter and some who think he is.some say when he gets a o-line he will be good and there is something to be said about that. some say ( that's where I am) he's good backup QB.
                          as I see it DC is the right choice for miami right now!

                        • Driven_Phinsane!
                          Driven_Phinsane! commented
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                          Thanks for that well thought out response and while we differ on where we stand in regards to our next HC, at least i gained some insight as to why you feel like you do...

                      • #15
                        Originally posted by phinfanfrom70s View Post
                        brian billick was a tight end coach before he became assistant head coach at minnesota then head coach of the ravens!
                        the miami brain trust thought enough of him to make him IHC. there's nothing that would indicate that he wouldn't be a good head coach.
                        just because he was a TE coach doesn't mean he can't be a HC. just because some people believe he wouldn't be able to get good staff to join him is 100% speculation on their part ,there is no evidence,or no other perspective personal have indicated that they wouldn't join a DC run miami team!
                        I'm curious why you think Billick and Campbell have anything in common?

                        Campbell's first job in football, in any capacity was with the Dolphins, which only about 5 years ago. Billick had about 20 years of coaching experience before getting g the opportunity to be a head coach. Billick would have never been given the head coaching job of the Ravens with only 5 years experience. And, after roughly 20 years of experience the main reason he had success, in my opinion, was because of Ozzie Newsome. Without Newsome working his magic in free angry and the draft he built one of the best defenses this league has ever seen. Flacco ruined that team by demanding so much money we being nothing more then a mediocre player who was carried by his defense. Newsome was forced to let key defensive players go because of Flacco ' s ridiculous contract and Billick ran for the hills because he knew he could never win without the killer defense.

                        Dan Campbell is in his coaching infancy. He "might" become a good head coach someday, but he needs WAY more experience, maybe another 10-15 more years at coaching. His only experience is with a team with the worst coaches in the league.he needs to unlearn what he picked up with the Dolphins.

                        Just say NO to unqualified coaches and mediocre quarterbacks..

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