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    With Tannehill's contract he is mostly likely going to return next year. I don't think Matt Moore is going to return. He costs too much for the caliber of QB that he is.

    Trade - Its unlikely to happen. I suppose the only remote possibility would be a trade with the 49ers for Kaepernick. I am not sure either team will be willing make that trade though. The 49ers might release him so he could be available via free agency.

    Free Agency - Barring a big name QB being released the free agent market for QB's is not very good. Kirk Cousins and Brock Osweiler are probably the best options but if their current teams want them back they will be way too expensive for us to sign. That would be too much money invested in the QB position along with Tannehill's contract. So we will probably sign a relatively cheap veteran QB.

    Draft - Jared Goff and Paxton Lynch probably will be gone by the time we select in the first round. Connor Cook probably will be available but I am not sold on him and I would rather use our first round pick on a defensive player. I really want LB Jaylon Smith although I would settle for LB Reggie Ragland or DE Emmanuel Ogbah. Christian Hackenberg will probably be taken in the 2nd round but I am not sold on him either. I would draft a QB in the later rounds. Some sleeper prospects I like are Chad Kelly, Nate Sudfeld, and Brandon Doughty. I would draft a QB in the late rounds of 2016 and then draft another QB in the early rounds in 2017 if we get rid of Tannehill after next year. 2017 should be a better QB class.

  • #2
    I would go for Lynch if he's there. If not, Wait for the later rounds and grab Coker.....

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    • #3
      Offer Tannehill and move up to Browns 1st draft position for Paxton Lynch.
      The deeper the roots, the higher the reach.

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      • cuchulainn
        cuchulainn commented
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        If Tannehill is so terrible (a) why would he be worth a 1st round pick, and (b) why wouldn't they just draft the #1 QB themselves?

        You're not giving up a #1 round pick for another team's garbage. Even the Browns aren't that crazy. Be better to trade Tannehill for something like Manziel and a 2nd.

      • AquaXI
        AquaXI commented
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        I actually like Tannehill! Moving up 10 spots or so takes all that if we were to pull the trigger. I do admit even with a bad Oline I want Tannehill to win games for us like Luck last year.

    • #4
      miami needs badly to bring in competition in training camp,whether rookie or vet to compete for the job against tannehill .
      he has never had to fight to keep his starting position in a real preseason challenge!
      I would say if he had that ,he would be sitting on the bench in a short time!
      the thing I don't know is ,he might perform well in practice against the PS with no pressure,but I know he struggles under mental pressure situations in live games,he doesn't seem to come up with that play that results in wins at the time the team needs it most!
      every game loss this year he was put in that situation and didn't get it done and ultimately resulted in a loss.,not to say that ryan is the whole team and that those loses are all on him.

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      • #5
        To keep in line with how Miami usually does things we'll probably trade for or sign the soon to be released & washed-up Peyton Manning!

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        • #6
          Originally posted by Aquaaiea View Post
          Offer Tannehill and move up to Browns 1st draft position for Paxton Lynch.
          You know you might just have something there...Not sure if Tannehill's contract is trade friendly but i'd look to deal him this offseason to some other unsuspecting team with a Matt Millen type GM..I'm just through waiting on Tannehill to bloom into anything more than a pedestrian middle-of-the-road NFL QB...

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          • #7
            Originally posted by Driven_Phinsane! View Post

            You know you might just have something there...Not sure if Tannehill's contract is trade friendly but i'd look to deal him this offseason to some other unsuspecting team with a Matt Millen type GM..I'm just through waiting on Tannehill to bloom into anything more than a pedestrian middle-of-the-road NFL QB...
            I don't like his contract because I don't think he is worth keeping around but I do think it's a trade friendly contract for any team that THINKS Tannehill might be a franchise quarterback. The new team will only be on the hook for one season and after that the contract gets friendlier. The Browns, 49ers and possibly Rams could be looking for a new quarterback. Then, there are always the teams that actually plan ahead who currently have aging veterans as their starting quarterbacks who might be interested. The Cardinals, Broncos, Saints, etc who have QB's in the mid to late 30's might want to have a 1st round draft pick with "NFL Experience." (If you consider his time in Miami NFL Experience......his coaching in Miami has been subpar)

            In all honesty I would love to trade Tannehill, Pouncey and Stills. Everyone knows how I feel about Tannehill but I have been keeping my feelings towards Pouncey quiet. I do NOT trust him! I think he is a ticking time bomb. I am not convinced that those two snaps that zipped past Tannehill for safeties weren't done on purpose. I don't want Pouncey on the Dolphins and I would trade him asap while they can still get a high draft pick for him. With the injury he might be only worthy of a 2nd round pick but I would try for a 1st or low 2nd round pick for him. Stills is talented but on the Dolphins he gets lost. The Dolphins will be rebuilding whether we like it or not and the more draft picks the better.

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            • Idahomer
              Idahomer commented
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              One thing about Pouncey (I follow him on Instagram) is he has a kid or two now. He's always posting stuff with his family. Sometimes having a child is enough to hit you with a dose of reality that you're not the top priority anymore. I know I matured A TON after having my first child. Night and Day. From partying all the time and going out to staying home and pretty much never partying unless it was at home with friends. I think we're seeing a more mature Pouncey and would be surprised to see him getting into trouble moving forward. But what the hell do I know. I thought Tannehill was good lol.

            • DolphinsFreak
              DolphinsFreak commented
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              I really hope you're correct about Pouncey, of course, but I just don't have a great deal of confidence that he has grown up at all. I was like you and it did take much longer for me to "grow up" and after getting married and then having a couple kids things in my past weren't as high of a priority as they once were. However, Pouncey's daughter was about 5 years old when he was sporting his "Free Hernandez" gear, while still having a shrine of Hernandez in his living room. Maybe it took the birth of his second child for him to finally grow up?

              I agree with Kevin Hart when he says that people with neck tattoos should just get one that says, "F** Life" because these people have just given up. AHA

          • #8
            Originally posted by FTLDOLFAN View Post
            With Tannehill's contract he is mostly likely going to return next year. I don't think Matt Moore is going to return. He costs too much for the caliber of QB that he is.

            Trade - Its unlikely to happen. I suppose the only remote possibility would be a trade with the 49ers for Kaepernick. I am not sure either team will be willing make that trade though. The 49ers might release him so he could be available via free agency.

            Free Agency - Barring a big name QB being released the free agent market for QB's is not very good. Kirk Cousins and Brock Osweiler are probably the best options but if their current teams want them back they will be way too expensive for us to sign. That would be too much money invested in the QB position along with Tannehill's contract. So we will probably sign a relatively cheap veteran QB.

            Draft - Jared Goff and Paxton Lynch probably will be gone by the time we select in the first round. Connor Cook probably will be available but I am not sold on him and I would rather use our first round pick on a defensive player. I really want LB Jaylon Smith although I would settle for LB Reggie Ragland or DE Emmanuel Ogbah. Christian Hackenberg will probably be taken in the 2nd round but I am not sold on him either. I would draft a QB in the later rounds. Some sleeper prospects I like are Chad Kelly, Nate Sudfeld, and Brandon Doughty. I would draft a QB in the late rounds of 2016 and then draft another QB in the early rounds in 2017 if we get rid of Tannehill after next year. 2017 should be a better QB class.

            I would draft the best MLB or CB at this point.

            We don't have one single LB that could start on another team, and yes I especially mean Jenkins....just because he's the best of the worse, that doesn't make him good....

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            • #9
              Originally posted by Seadog View Post


              I would draft the best MLB or CB at this point.

              We don't have one single LB that could start on another team, and yes I especially mean Jenkins....just because he's the best of the worse, that doesn't make him good....
              Jenkins has been injured and playing on one leg the past 4 games. I wished they had sat him and let him healed up. He's been a shell of himself since Oct.

              Do agree that we need to focus on defense this draft - but also OL. I was all for giving Dallas and Turner their shot. They have been atrocious and Turner has been as bad or worse than Dallas and Fox.

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              • London Fish & Chips
                London Fish & Chips commented
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                Agreed!!! It's always great to see the positives, but there are soooo many negatives, Tony Robbins would be baffled on how to put a positive spin on this team.....

                Too many holes, just too many at this point, really depressing....

            • #10
              Originally posted by DolphinsFreak View Post

              I don't like his contract because I don't think he is worth keeping around but I do think it's a trade friendly contract for any team that THINKS Tannehill might be a franchise quarterback. The new team will only be on the hook for one season and after that the contract gets friendlier. The Browns, 49ers and possibly Rams could be looking for a new quarterback. Then, there are always the teams that actually plan ahead who currently have aging veterans as their starting quarterbacks who might be interested. The Cardinals, Broncos, Saints, etc who have QB's in the mid to late 30's might want to have a 1st round draft pick with "NFL Experience." (If you consider his time in Miami NFL Experience......his coaching in Miami has been subpar)

              In all honesty I would love to trade Tannehill, Pouncey and Stills. Everyone knows how I feel about Tannehill but I have been keeping my feelings towards Pouncey quiet. I do NOT trust him! I think he is a ticking time bomb. I am not convinced that those two snaps that zipped past Tannehill for safeties weren't done on purpose. I don't want Pouncey on the Dolphins and I would trade him asap while they can still get a high draft pick for him. With the injury he might be only worthy of a 2nd round pick but I would try for a 1st or low 2nd round pick for him. Stills is talented but on the Dolphins he gets lost. The Dolphins will be rebuilding whether we like it or not and the more draft picks the better.
              I would definitely look to trade Tannehill if we could get decent value for him; i do not think we'll ever be a good, consistent team with him under center..IMO, what we see is what we get..and ALL excuses aside, it's just not good enough...Everything obviously is contingent upon the new regime (HC? GM? OC?) & how they feel about the current state of the position, they may very well decide (like many of us) that RT's not the answer & roll the dice on one of the top guys coming out...

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              • #11
                Originally posted by Driven_Phinsane! View Post

                I would definitely look to trade Tannehill if we could get decent value for him; i do not think we'll ever be a good, consistent team with him under center..IMO, what we see is what we get..and ALL excuses aside, it's just not good enough...Everything obviously is contingent upon the new regime (HC? GM? OC?) & how they feel about the current state of the position, they may very well decide (like many of us) that RT's not the answer & roll the dice on one of the top guys coming out...
                There is no hope for this Dolphins team this season. The offseason brings the only hope for Dolphins fans. However, most fans are hesitant to even have any hope for the offseason as long as Ross is the owner. Will Ross keep this front office in tact? Will he keep Tannenbaum and allow him to fire everyone and start over, while keeping him in power? These are the two main questions on my mind. Tannenbaum will keep certain coaches away so I am curious to know if any coaches worth mentioning will want to come to Miami. The new coaching staff is the key to everything. We all know that COACHING has been the major problem in Miami and that even goes with the development of Tannenhill, or lack there of. But, the Dolphins can't afford to have an NFL caliber QB coach put in another four year to try and help him play like a franchise quarterback. The Dolphins need a coaching staff who can 'coach-up' the players they decide to keep around and I just hope they are able to hire a head coach and staff that can do just that.

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                • #12
                  I was high on this player last year when I thought they were coming out and I still think that he is the #1 QB in this years draft. I don't think the experts will have him ranked #1 but I do and I really hope that if he is still on the board the new regime will draft Connor Cook with their 1st round pick.

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                  • #13
                    Originally posted by HndRkyaBong34 View Post
                    I would go for Lynch if he's there. If not, Wait for the later rounds and grab Coker.....
                    None of the guys are in the same caste of rookie QB as Andrew Luck was coming out, but the bold I agree with. Go with Coker, Hogan, Doughty, insert other favorite mid-round QB prospect from the 4th on - as long as he is the BPA.

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                    • cuchulainn
                      cuchulainn commented
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                      I agree that we do need competition and we definitely need to put Matt Moore down the road as he is salary prohibitive to keep on the roster.

                      That said, I'd be shocked in any rookie QB could come into this mess and out perform a 4 year starter at the hardest position in all of sports. And realistically, if Lynch is your guy, we'd have to sell the farm to move up in the 1st round to get him.

                      Consider this - Tannehill has his flaws but only about 20% of QBs drafted ever even start, and that virtually all sustained success has come out of QB picks in the top-50 ever drafted. Wilson was taken at the very top of round 3 but excluding him as an outlier (height was the only knock), the only notable QBs taken after rounds 1 and 2 over the last 12 years are Schaub and Fitzpatrick.

                      If a team doesn't invest a 1st round pick, the hit rate is less than 5%. Even with 1st rounders, its no better than 50%. And the misses can wind up devastating franchises for a long time - see the Skins and Browns.

                      Honestly, I have a hard time believing people really look at the draft with a realistic perspective. Drafting QBs is a really risky venture and it's hard to believe a team with a guy who's averaged about a 90 passer rating over the last 2 years and who's had back to back 4000-yd seasons would really want to go through that again.

                      So, IMO, if you're the team, with gaping holes at Guard, Guard, Tackle, CB, FS, LB, LB, DE, etc... and yet you think you can POSSIBLY do better than Tannehill, then you're going to invest in a 1st rounder. AND if you do so, you're going to have to take your lumps with him for the next 2-3 seasons. You just have to do that. Does that gamble out weigh sticking with Tannehill for another season?

                      Look at QBs who took 4-5 years to improve. It took Flacco, Eli, Dalton, and now Cam Newton each roughly 5 years each to really find their stride - and each of these were more NFL ready than Tannehill was coming out. Then there are guys like Stafford who throw up big numbers but never take a team anywhere. Same for the scramblers: RG-ME, Kaepernick, Manziel, etc.

                      Personally, I think we commit to him for another season and address the gaping holes on the overall team - then in 2017, focus on upgrades regardless of position.
                      Tannehill is not a dominant player right now, but of the 148 QBs drafted in the last 12 years, his career passer rating (85) (the defining metric) ranks him above average.

                      IMO, taking a QB after the 4th round makes the most sense, but I don't see a guy in this draft that could walk in and beat out Tannehill with the current variables.

                      YMMV.

                    • HndRkyaBong34
                      HndRkyaBong34 commented
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                      I agree with what you're saying Cuch. It would be tough to Roll the dice on a QB when there's so many other problem this team face's.. I think once the coaching/FO is stable or we go with the current regime we draft around RT and fill these glaring needs.. But without doubt we need to bring in a QB that is breathing down RT's neck.. He's way to comfortable right now cause he knows there's nobody else behind him that can win the job...Time to mount some pressure on this 4 year ???????????.

                    • cuchulainn
                      cuchulainn commented
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                      No worries... agree on the competition and I'd like to see several QBs brought in. I also think a coach like Belichick, Coughin, etc... would have this team performing much better and we'd have had a power run offense to start with taking the pressure off Tannehill, which must happen. I think Dan Campbell is on the right track, he just lacks all the pieces to complete the picture. Dunno if the team will retain Dan or not, but I won't be surprised if they do as Tbaum and Dan are on the same page and this is the first time in a long time that we've had that.

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