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just wondering the reasoning behind people's thoughts on dan campbell's keeping the job or not concerning getting to the playoffs!
we all have our reasonings
we all have our reasonings
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If he gets this soft Philbin built team to the playoffs then he absolutely should get the job. Personally I don't think it's playoffs or bust. Win the games we should and beat a team or two we shouldn't and I think he gets it. -
Yes if Dan Campbell gets the Dolphins to the playoffs then he deserves to keep his job. I wouldn't give him some crazy deal though. Maybe 2 years for $6 million. I don't think he will get any better offers than that from another team so he would probably accept it.
Remember this team was a mess after 4 games, not only were we 1-3 but it looked as if the team had quit. Nobody in their right mind was thinking about the playoffs then so if he were to pull this off then yes he deserves to keep his job.Comment
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my thought s are he deserves it because of the change of attitude and team spirit and that is what a general or leader installs into his troops.attitude ,swagger,confidence,perseverance like they showed last week can be the difference between wins and loses.
that is a character trait that not everyone posses ,and dan campbell has that trait.
all the players respect him for that.
the players all said they had respect for philbin etc, etc, but I don't think they had that go to war with your buddy respect like they have for campbell.
many people talk about x's and o's and not having enough connections,or that he couldn't get good enough staff to join him, all I say to that is people gravitate to people who display winning characteristics and personalities because it's natural for humans to want to be with winners,build it and they will come!Comment
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I think Campbell needs to show improvement in clock management skills, and get more involved with the offensive playcalling to have a legitimate chance...
We should be able to win AT LEAST 4 of the next 7 games if he does, which would mean that he led us to 7-5...Comment
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Yes! If he goes 9-7 and don't make the playoffs also yes.Just frolic and live in the now like Dolphins and Man's best friend.Comment
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I think we should keep him if he wins half of his games.
We have the talent of a .500 team.
But we do seem to be getting better talent lately.Comment
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one thing you need to understand, is that Campbell doesnt know how to coach.
He's not a coach like Bad Boy BIll...rather a Herman Edwards type of coach....which can only take you so far. We already had this with Tony S...A choice needs to be made to determine, if this teams need a motivational speaker or someone who actually understand Xs/ and Os that can potentially out coach the opposition
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so you think he is just a motivational speaker and that he doesn't understand the x's and o's,because the team needs to make a choice between the two.
dan campbell isn't both by your understanding.
I don't understand how one can make that determination about dan cambells knowledge after 4 games,or in a situation that he's inherited!
so after 4 games into their HC career, belechick and shula and the rest of coaches should have shown that they know the x's and o's and that they never made a mistake on game clock decisions that would have made them un HC worthy!
some have said that he will make a good coach in the future,so why not keep a good HC of the future that is coaching here now!
the decision is does miami want a coach that possibly could be a coach here for years,a young energetic,football coach minded coach,that's here now winning games ,has changed the whole atmosphere of a team and a staff he had no part in hiring.
or a coach that has never won a game for miami,no guarantees he can win in miami,no gaurantees that his x's and o's will work in miami,probably a retread who has been fired from another job for his not doing the fore mentioned!but those x's and o's ! -
Tony never had a QB outside of Penny. The 1 year he did, we hit the playoffs. If he'd had Tannehill instead of Henne, he's likely still our HC. Tannehill has his flaws, but you can win with him.
Dan is learning on the job, but he has everything he needs on offense outside of competent guards. If we can find a DE, LB, FS, and CB in the off-season, Dan or anyone else should be able to get this team to the playoffs. Unless a John Harbaugh or Sean Payton comes available (which isn't likely) and wants the job, I'm fine with signing Dan to a 1 or 2 year extension to coincide with Tannehill's contract. If they bust, cut him lose and find a new HC and QB.
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This is my point as well..While DC may one day become a really good HC with an understanding and true feel for the game and how it's playing out from the HC's perspective (I know he played the game but the difference between playing it and understanding how to coach it well, are probably light years apart) do we really want that as our next HC, a guy we have to give years of on the job training to hopefully get there??
3 out of our last 4 HC's had zero HC experience and they were GOD-AWFUL, even though CamMoron was a great OC with the Chargers and Philbin was supposedly a good gameplanner for the Packers. Nick Saban was the only one with HC experience and that was only at the collegiate level and to be honest as much as i can't stand Saban, had he not pussied out he might've eventually became a really good HC for us....
My thoughts on this whole DC for next HC is that he shouldn't just be handed the position no matter what; sure, throw his name in the mix but we need to absolutely look at EVERY AVAILABLE OPTION, do our homework and pick the best guy for the job...Just doesn't make any sense to me to go about it any other way...Comment
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Pretty sure that it's not conjecture that he has zero HC experience other than the past few games...This may be conjecture on my part but i'm pretty sure guys aren't just born with the ability & knowledge to be a great HC..seems it usually comes with on the job experience. Even the great Bill Bellicheat sucked at it the first go-round!
Another thing that isn't conjecture on my part is that DC has all of about 4 years total coaching experience..That's TOTAL!!! Granted that you have to start somewhere but the usual process is to work your way up...Btw, just curious as to why you think your opinion is right and everyone else is crazy for wanting to look around first?? -
I could ask you the same question about your opinion!
I think dan has what it takes to be the next coach for miami.
I want a young ,fresh coach that is going to be the next long term highly thought of coach for miami's future,and I believe dan campbell can accomplish this.
sean payton, harbaugh ,etc are RETREADS. your opinion is coaches like these guys have proven to win games,but also have proven to me that they fail after a while too!
I'm looking for shula 2,that will be here for his career! DC is in the HC position now why not give him the chance to prove himself right or wrong!
there are born leaders and born followers,dan campbell has so far proven to me he is a leader and probably every player in the locker room would say the same!
so 11 years of playing in the nfl is, I would say, where you go to get football knowledge and coaching knowledge to know you want to continue as a coach .
there is no head coaching college where people go to learn to coach,so playing football and coaching as a positional coach in the nfl is where you get the experience and knowledge.
so just as you believe that your opinion that dan campbell isn't up for the miami HC position at this time,my opinion is he is.
your conjecture is that he most likely will end up like the rest of miami's coaches that had no nfl HC experience and he will need time to learn the position and that is most peoples view !
my conjecture is that he can take this team and with a off season to reorganize this team and staff into a winning team in the near,near future, and I am not trying to push my view or opinion on to any one,I am just stating my opinion against what others opinions are,i think that's called point,counter point or debate! I think it goes on a lot here all in good intentions to shake out what's best for the dolphins! my opinion once stated in this forum goes off into oblivion or where all thing in forums go because it won't make a difference to anything in the dolphins world! -
Of course you're entitled to your opinion as is EVERYONE here, that's why this is a FORUM...But you say you're not trying to push your opinion onto anyone, well, it sure feels like that to me when it seems anytime anyone states a counter opinion in regards to DC you act as if they're crazy for having an opposing opinion....You ranted on me about how my opinion was CONJECTURE, every bit of it was ALL CONJECTURE..Well, hate to break it to you but that's what opinions basically are, all conjecture, surmising, assumption, supposition etc., some based on history, some based on facts and some just based on belief & blind faith...
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First.... Welcome Dale-Paul, Hope things are good for you and your family.
If DC can bring the team to a 9-7 record then I think he deserves consideration as the HC. I have a feeling that he will be a good HC in the NFL, in time. Not real sure the time is now. What I would like to see, if another EARNS the job as HC is that DC is offered a position on the staff that would help him grow into that HC in the future. Probably won't happen but it would be nice.
Bottom line is I want what is best for the team to return to its winning ways. It would be nice to have the Fins win the Superbowl BEFORE my granddaughter is my age.
“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” – Mark TwainComment
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Agreed, tho I'm not sure he even needs to go 9-7 considering what he inherited from Philbin and Coyles, who made an absolute mess of the team. This was Tbaum's decision to hire him and he likes to hire intense guys as HCs: Rex Ryan, Steve Kerr, etc... I think they'll consider their options, and unless we finish as flat and terrible as past seasons under Philbin, I think Dan gets real consideration at keeping the job. So far, the players love him and are playing hard. That counts a lot. -
Agreed, If they can win games at the end of the season even if nothing is on the line then you have to give DC serious consideration. I just jhave a good feeling about him and I hope the timing isn't wrong for us.
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Dan Campbell is not a HC....Let's make that clear... Now if he can turn Philbin's team around to a 9-7 finish then he deserve a 1 year contract as HC. Now the key is, Can he find assistants that can Coach up players on the X's& O's? That remains to be seen.. IMO DC is just a motivational speaker at this point and Lazor and the interim DC is just going off the old play book.. Still no hook routes or Roll outs from RT, no ground and pound from the RB's. Zero contribution from our 2 TE's and a few more noticeable same ol' same ol'.... Defensively is just scattered, not sure when to go Man to man or Zone, never able to set the edge coincidently, can't tackle, DB's are weak and we already know about our ST's.....They suck! So, if DC can get 9 wins out of this inept coaching staff and the lack of talent across the board... Then IMO you give (LarrytheCableguy) a shot being a HC.... Remember,, The FO is another problem. So do you believe DC can be a HC with his hands tied????? This FO will not give him the choice...Comment
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You are right in that they are going off the old playbook. Althought, they may be able to add a few things as they move forward, I don't believe it would be possible to make major changes to the playbooks at this point of the season. -
hrb 34 ,I got thinking about you comment about dan campbell as not being a HC.
did you mean that he isn't head coach material or he's not a head coach now as in he's a interim HC not a full fledged HC?
I took your comment as you meant he isn't HC material,and if not then my comment was way off base!
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EVERY Head Coach in the league started out as an assistant coach...Comment
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so your so sure about dan campbell's coaching abilities that you would go up to him and say,dan campbell your not a HC....let's make that clear and the question is can you find assistants that can coach up players on x's and o's and in my opinion you are just a motivational speaker to this point.
I wonder what dan campbell would say about that if he say this, well he won't, but I do see this and I am sticking up for dan campbell with in MY opinions because dan campbell can't,because I believe the total opposite of every point you just made! all opinions no proof of any thing.Comment
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where did I say that my opinions are fact,I said above all opinions ,no proof of anything.
no one has any proof of anything at this point in time , all opinions are just opinions,including mine,never did I say my opinions are worth more that anyone elses,I just said that I don't agree with those opinions and gave the reasoning behind why I don't agree those opinions.no where did I ever mention that you or anyone else had to adopt my opinions.
if some one says that dan campbell is no HC,and I don't agree and say so,but no where did I say that anyone had to agree with that . -
oh by the way ,I 'm not trying to get in a big deal here with anyone ,or ruffle any ones feathers,but if I don't agree with you I'm going to tell you and why!
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My fault, i guess i misunderstood your last sentence..i thought you were inferring that all of our opinions were no proof of anything...Just so you know (you can go back & check this if you want, i've stated many times that i'm a fan of DC, as a former player & as our TE's coach) i have nothing against DC (other than i think he might be too green), nor your opinions..I'd love for him to be the next Don Shula but IMO i'm just not sure he's ready...Really all i'm hoping for is that the best man gets the job this time, if it's ultimately DC, then so be it...
Btw, i deleted my previous post since i misunderstood your comment..Last edited by Driven_Phinsane!; 11-19-2015, 10:54 PM.
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Here's the thing. If he can make decent strides with a highly suspect team of misfits this season, I would be more than happy to give him another year. But if they player talent doesn't improve, especially at OL and LB, then really, can any HC be successful? What I have seen so far is he is not sticking with guys if they aren't contributing, and giving others a shot to step up and make plays. I'm okay with that. What I don't want to see is someone else's castoff come here because he has had HC experience. So I say no to Payton. I say no to a Harbaugh...either one. Now if someone from New England wanted to interview, I would take a long look. But it all starts with getting players.Comment
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Does the name Todd Bowless mean anything to everyone that thinks Campbell isn't ready yet? That's who we should have hired, not Philbin. Bowles seems to be a success these days. He should have been our guy. We can't make the mistake of chasing after another big-time coach, and then failing. Spartans deserved better then how he was treated. We don't need another fired, middle-aged man running things again. We need some young blood. Someone who wants to fight to win. We've lacked the killer mentality for a long time. Campbell brings this to our team.Comment
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