Argument For Dan Campbell

[IMAWriter]

The GREAT Don Shula was a 33 year DB coach for the Lions when Carroll Rosenblum hired Shula as HC of the Baltimore Colts. He played 73 games in the NFL, an had a credible career.

Dan Campbell has a somewhat similar background, though not nearly the football MIND and resume of Shula, even at Shula's young age.
That said, Shula had some of the very best assistants in the NFL, and like all smart leaders, allowed those assistants to do what they do best. Shula was a motivator, teacher, but most of all knew the ins and outs of the NFL, how to play the officials, eventually becoming the leading member of the rules committee.
Most here know all this.

If somehow Dan Campbell, at season's end could get solid commitments from several top line assistants he would possibly be in the mix. I believe he would have to be at least 8-8 by season's end.

I worry that the HC decision could rest in large part in Tannenbaum's hands. I believe that would be a huge mistake, if history is to be believed.

Perhaps we have to temper our enthusiasm as regards Campbell's post game speeches. Yes, they energize the fan base, and hopefully the players, but until there are first rate coordinators and position coaches, it's going to be difficult evaluating Campbell. If the Fins go 8-8 or better, I'm leaning in Campbell's direction.
Thoughts?

[HndRkyaBong34]

Yeah, if we can win the rest of our divisional games and come out with 9-7 record... Dan Campbell deserves a shot..... I do not like MT or DH so I would rather clean house upstairs then get rid of DC... That will never happen though...

[IMAWriter]

HRB34, as the patsies will have the AFC home field the entire playoffs due to Denver's collapse, they will most likely rest Brady, at least the 2nd half, probably all against the Fins. Thus, a victory in that game is just pyrrhic. They must beat a very good Bengals team, a San Diego team that has Phillip Rivers, and THE JETS to convince me that Campbell can elevate a significantly flawed Dolphins team long term, where hopefully the FO, whomever they may be can put together a meaningful draft.

[HndRkyaBong34]

Like all of us, we will continue to Hope... So in the meantime, I will enjoy the wins if there is any and maybe just maybe when the Draft rolls around someone will draft at least 3 day one starters...

[phinfanfrom70s]

I don't see how wins and loses can have a extreme high factor on the coaching future of dan campbell in miami.
he comes in 4 games into a season in to a situation that is so desperately bad they fire the HC.
he had no input on the quality of the players ,schemes ,coaches,nothing,so how can one think that wins/ loses record tells an actuate story of the quality of HC dan campbell is.
I think the telling tale is what he has done to the state of the atmosphere and being within the team and in the stadium and fans!
that tale says,the team atmosphere is a total360% shift in the players in spirit and fans have a sense of excitement not there when he took control of the team.
with a offseason and a chance for him to completely reorganize the structure and staff and player personal will tell you if he can organize and run a nfl organization more than the win/lose record this year
obviously dan thinks he can do that or he wouldn't have taken on this monumental job of taking on this team 4 games into the season!

[Wulf]

I don't see how wins and loses can have a extreme high factor on the coaching future of dan campbell in miami.
he comes in 4 games into a season in to a situation that is so desperately bad they fire the HC.
he had no input on the quality of the players ,schemes ,coaches,nothing,so how can one think that wins/ loses record tells an actuate story of the quality of HC dan campbell is.

Agreed! Campbell has come into the position with binders on his decisions. There were no assistants to hire from outside in week 5, and few worth anything on the inside (a HUGE part of Philbin's failures). Also no way to make any radical changes in schemes or personnel. He has taken a slightly diminished version of the roster that Philbin had at 1-3 to a 302 record. At least 2 of those Philbin losses SHOULD have been wins, but since they weren't, Dan started at 1-3 in the league and 0-2 in the division. Granted he is also 0-2 in the division, but I can't judge his two losses as being entirely his fault...

At this point, an 8-8 finish would suggest SERIOUS improvement over Philbin...

[Driven_Phinsane!]

HRB34, as the patsies will have the AFC home field the entire playoffs due to Denver's collapse, they will most likely rest Brady, at least the 2nd half, probably all against the Fins. Thus, a victory in that game is just pyrrhic. They must beat a very good Bengals team, a San Diego team that has Phillip Rivers, and THE JETS to convince me that Campbell can elevate a significantly flawed Dolphins team long term, where hopefully the FO, whomever they may be can put together a meaningful draft.

Writer, we don't play the Bengals (Actually might be even harder for us because we play the Ravens who ALWAYS smack us around!)

Btw, IMO Brady, nor any of the Pats starter's will be rested if the Pats have a shot at UNDEFEATED, No way, No Hell, No how...

[IMAWriter]

Yeah, I messed up. I knew it was a a team in the Central. Patsies won't be undefeated. IF they are, what you say will be true, and if the Fins are eliminated by then, a Fin victory would prove a LOT more.

[TrueFinFan]

The issue I have with Campbell is his lack of knowledge for the science of the game, the X's and O's. For a team to be a contender, they need a head coach that is a football guru. I still want either Payton or Kyle Shanahan

[Driven_Phinsane!]

The issue I have with Campbell is his lack of knowledge for the science of the game, the X's and O's. For a team to be a contender, they need a head coach that is a football guru. I still want either Payton or Kyle Shanahan

I agree..IMO, we need a guy to step right in seamlessly and take the talent we have (Apparently we don't have nearly as much as any of us wanted to believe!!) add a bit more through their own vision and win without going through years of growing pains...Not sure about everyone else but i'm getting too old to groom a totally green coach & have him grow along with the team taking another 5 years to get there...

[IMAWriter]

At this point, an 8-8 finish would suggest SERIOUS improvement over Philbin...

Exactly, Wulf

[ONole1]

I love Campbell's bravado, enthusiasm and toughness. I don't love his lack of coaching experience and ability to control his offensive coordinator. If he is not trying to control his offensive coordinator then I question his football IQ. I just don't think he's ready yet and not sure he has enough experience to put a quality staff together, which as I have said many times is more important in most cases than the HC.

[IMAWriter]

Agree 100% ONOle1. Human nature being what it is, there are just some coaches who won't like being subordinate to a guy with as little experience as Campbell. All businesses seem to have this issue.

[hawkfinfan]

The best thing DC has going for him is, who is going to take this job? Who is going to come in with a front office split up of Tannebaum/Hickey/Aponte? Our owner. Anyone that has any bones is going to say no, because Ross is a committee man. He's not going to get rid of them.

[IMAWriter]

Lots of coaches would take the Dolphins job...just not many of the BEST coaches. No problems getting Mangini, Mularkey (when the Titans let him go for Chip Kelly) K Shannahan (why is everyone on his bandwagon? He has no people skills...like his old man)

[Wulf]

The best thing DC has going for him is, who is going to take this job? Who is going to come in with a front office split up of Tannebaum/Hickey/Aponte? Our owner. Anyone that has any bones is going to say no, because Ross is a committee man. He's not going to get rid of them.

And the fact that he is already here, it wouldn't mean bringing a new HC in... Hopefully it will also mean getting more production from the under-performing men currently on the roster...

[IMAWriter]

And the fact that he is already here, it wouldn't mean bringing a new HC in... Hopefully it will also mean getting more production from the under-performing men currently on the roster...

Not sure if they're under performing or UNDER-talented? Desire will only get you so far. I believe Jason Fox is doing his best, but his best ain't good enough. Same goes for Misi, D Thomas, Walt Aikins, and a few others....